Randy Moss: The Strength, Speed, Charisma and Fallacy of 81

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All you haters….

Think to yourselves and make a list of the current ten best players in the National Football League. Rationally cast aside group thought and realize there is no criteria where a quarterback has to be number one. Is your opinion based on individual or team loyalty and therefore biased? Who is at the top? Tom Brady? Peyton Manning? Tony Romo? Brett Favre? LaDanian Tomlinson, Adrian Peterson?

Where does Randy Moss fall on your list?

We could focus on all the off the field drama people love to run with… or the scrutiny that propagates the golden boy image the media seems to swing on incessantly for the sake of the dollar, but we just don’t do that here. Yes quarterbacks commandeer the franchise and sell tickets based on groupie psychology, but we cannot nullify the worth of who really makes teams go.

Randy Moss is the best player in the NFL.

It’s 1998 again.

Randy has singlehandedly modified the league and along with Tom Brady negated anything the Colts did last year–at least until a champion is crowed in February after the Super Bowl.

This isn’t diminishing anything Tom Brady accomplished this year. 50 touchdowns is 50 touchdowns. It also can’t be diminished that half of those went to Randy Moss as Wes Welker and Donte Stallworth were being shadowed by inferior coverage men.

The question that is going to be answered in the next couple weeks should be: Is Randy Moss finally going to be a champion?

16-0 means nothing with out the confetti reign [sic].

The time has come. The Divisional Playoff weekend is usually where the best games are played. You have rested top seeds versus hungry us against the world NFL (read: human) interest stories that late into games will entertain until daddy tells Cinderella to get her ass home.

The Patriots against the upstart and very formidable Jacksonville Jaguars–who on the surface appear to be capable of upsetting the Pats and shutting down history.The moral here is don’t bet the house people.

Most pundits will highlight Tom Brady as if he’s the only story that will sell papers.

What about Randy Moss?

Afro just right long, defiance to the media and its misguided fans strong, “Oh, little Bobby don’t wear his jersey…he’s just so wrong.”

There are always going to be those who will never like R. Moss. They will scream about faux-mooning the Green Bay fans–even though the Lambeau grateful do the same to opposing players (Joe Buck you were disgusting for your pandering description on live television when this went down). How about Randy walking off the field before the final gun or the incident with the traffic agent (Not a traffic cop, which has widely been reported. Not absolving blame, just how the facts were reported.) in Minneapolis? Critics will highlight Notre Dame rescinding its scholarship offer to Randy after he pleaded guilty for his involvement in a racial incident or Florida State doing the same because of a failed drug test.

These incidents are much more deeper than you think.

Check the origin of scrutiny shoved in Randy’s direction. This goes back to high school. You never know what forces are behind his media undoing and resurrection.

I’m implore you to do the research.

During his time with the Vikings Randy Moss became the most feared offensive NFL player along the likes of Barry Sanders, Jerry Rice and Joe Montana. His rookie season was one of the greatest of all time regardless of the sport. The record 556 points the Vikings scored stood for nine years until the Pats broke the longstanding record by scoring 589 this past regular season.

It’s not ironic the two teams who will share the record have Randy Moss in common. It’s a shame Daunte Culpepper tore his knee which precipitated a full blown overhauling of the Vikings roster. There were ownership changes as well, so I guess time moves on.

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“I love this cat, but why does he have to be so damn good?”

So the Vikings do something I don’t think professional teams should ever do which is trade Hall of Fame caliber players. It fragments your fan base. Not only in your hometown, but nationally. Why teams would take that financial as well as psychological hit is beyond me.

The Raiders thought they were getting a savior. It honestly seemed like a perfect fit, but Oakland just didn’t have the administrative stability to handle such a once in a life time superstar. He had no quarterback to get him the ball. That is glaring. What the critics were seeing in Randy was someone to attach blame. Yeah, 102 catches, 1,558 yards and 11 touchdowns in two years is not up to par if you are Randy Moss, but damn that’s a career for some receivers. Randy did what he could do with what he had surrounding him talent wise. That’s a fact and anything else surmised from Randy’s tenure in Oakland is chock full of hatred veiled or otherwise.
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Puttin’ on this hat is painful

Did I miss something? Oakland gave away Randy Moss for a fourth round pick?

Stupidity.

Raider nation gone and I’ve been traded to the New England Patriots? Oh next year it’s gonna be on!

98 catches, 1,493 yards and 23 touchdown receptions. Ruminate on that Al Davis.

Seriously, how did the league–and it’s fans–allow the Patriots to easily steal the second best receiver of all time like Sweatshirt Bully greedily jackin’ the hand signals of Peyton Manning checking off?

Pundits reference RMoss in Oakland as proof he was washed up. Does anyone remember the Monday night game where Randy ran track on the Patriots? Let me refresh your mind: 5 catches for 130 yards and a 73 yard touchdown.

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Bill was makin’ a list and checkin’ it twice

Dude even had to deal with Raider defensive end turned Fox commentator Howie Long’s misguided comments and responded with this:

“For him to take a shot at me and say that I don’t have a passion for the game, I love the passion for the game. If I don’t have that much passion, you tell his (bleep) to come out here and put on some pads on and go at me,” Moss told Steve Czaban, of Fox Sports Radio.

Long’s silence was golden.

98 catches, 1,493 yards and 23 touchdown receptions.

Check out the careers of Barkley, Owens, and Moss. Each was surrounded with Hall of Fame talent the minute they stepped into their respective leagues. This inspired hunger and spoiled them professionally in a sense. They wanted nothing but the best and stopped at nothing to achieve what is deservedly theirs.

When athletes in these situations complain, why is America confused?

They want to win! When they see members of their organization progressing a step behind emotionally as well as professionally, drama happens.

This is where the fallacy of pack writing rears it’s nondescript head.

Stretchin’ the field, he’s a quarterback’s shield, db’s job security he continuously kills.

(Photo: Lynne Sladky, AP)
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You boys betta get ya daddy!

He has made some bad choices. How many talented brothas have gone through something similar and not made it out of the other side?

The numbers are soul shaking.

He’s also done some things in the NFL that border on the astounding. The list is still growing. He and Brady have redefined the quarterback to receiver dynamic.

It’s inconceivable that Randy Moss didn’t win Offensive Player of the Year after breaking Jerry Rice’s records. He didn’t receive one first place vote. I’ll pass on the MVP argument because unfortunately this is a society that needs to be led–hence Tom Brady winning the award.

HIS-story chalks up yet another one for kids to forget about.

Remember Albert Belle’s 1995 season where he didn’t win MVP? Didn’t think so.

Belle’s stats: 143 games, 121 runs, 173 hits, 52 doubles, 50 homers, 126 RBI, .317 batting average, 80 strikeouts and a ridiculous .690 slugging percentage. 50 homers and 50 doubles is possibly the most unique stat in baseball history. It’s never been touched. Oh for the record, Cleveland made the playoffs that year.

Now let’s compare them to MVP Mo Vaughn’s stats: 140 games, 98 runs, 165 hits, 28 doubles, 39 homers, 126 RBI, 150 strikeouts, .300 batting average and a .575 slugging percentage. Boston also went to the playoffs. I alluded to this glaring injustice here.

Does it really matter if a player has a contentious relationship with the media when it comes to the handling of awards? What happened to Belle that year was criminal.

Don’t give me the standard Randy Moss is given just as much credit as Tom Brady bs. It’s just not true.

When kids check the books 50 years from now and see Tom Brady and Brett Favre getting the lion share of coverage, how will they properly place the context of what New England accomplished this year?

Straight hatred homie!

Could it have been because of this response after he set the td reception record?

Jerry Rice responded in a radio interview with: “I’s almost like a little slap in the face, but that’s typical of Randy Moss.”

Jerry you should have kept your mouth shut and checked the tape before you let the media goad you into such a ridiculous judgment of Randy. You’ve talked trash about the cat his entire career, so why should he ever respect you?

Way to speak up Randy. Now go get all of Jerry’s records. Jerry had to work hard at what you do so flawlessly.

Randy’s media response was a moment Larry Holmes would be proud of.

We should all be able to live with that.

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77 Responses to “Randy Moss: The Strength, Speed, Charisma and Fallacy of 81”

  1. Mizzo,
    This site provides an invaluable service to sports fans. And I undoubtedly would be a better person if I had friends of your wisdom and perspective in my life. Your points about the unfair media coverage of Randy Moss are accurate and worthwhile–this needs to be emphasized, especially in light of his ties to/comparison with new teammate (and golden boy) Tom Brady. Randy Moss is an unreal talent and has proved it over and over again. However, as a sports fan (who at least nominally comprehends the ways in which mainstream media creates and perpetuates personas/narratives/stereotypes/archetypes/etcetcetc), it will always remain important to me to dislike Randy Moss. As a fan. Because I do believe there is empirical evidence that he has spent considerable time coasting through games/seasons. Understandable given the circumstances? Yes. Acceptable? No. Do we, as those who care about sports, have a responsibility to recognize his greatness and demand such acknowledgment from mainstream sports media? Absolutely. But if anyone were to ask me (luckily for the world, very few are concerned with my opinions) if they should like Randy Moss, I would advise against it. As a sports fan, I want more than once-in-a-generation talent. I want more than strategic/situational/conditional effort. As a sports fan, I can’t cheer for him.

  2. Thanks for your TSF compliment. I’ll make this simple. My link to Randy Moss is Randall Cunningham. That being said, your words ring very familiar to me, but I’ll keep those thoughts clandestine. Shoot me an email or give me a shout.

    Be peace.

  3. I ain’t the biggest football fan, I’m hoops and baseball more but to me, LT is the best. I don’t think anyone combines such amazing skill with such admirable sportsmanship. If it’s just athleticism, I gotta go with #81. But his statement about how he didn’t go 100% all the time and his disinterest at times have rubbed me the wrong way. Still, as an athlete, when he’s on his game, for me there’s no one comparable.

  4. Moss is the most talented player in the league. But a WR can never be the most valuable, simply because of position — a QB is almost always the most valuable player on a team, and when you have Brady’s numbers and record, well, it’s quite obvious he is the MVP.

    You know that when your “defense” of Moss for MVP is this:

    “unfortunately this is a society that needs to be led”

    that you have no real “defense” at all.

  5. I do place Moss as the second greatest reciever of all time. And he’s somwhere in the top 5 players in the league, maybe #1. But I do know he’s definitely the MVP. Take that same NE team and put Payton Manning, Tony Romo or a couple of QB’s and they’ll do the exact same thing, Manning certainly proved it when a few years back, when, with inferior recievers, he had 49 TD passes. Take Moss and place any other reciever and that offense just isn’t as potent. How could it be? He stretches the field so much and requires such attention that no other reciever does. MVP? Absolutely.

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  7. Friedman stop looking down your nose. You know damn well that the Pats would not be 16-0 without Randy Moss. It’s so obvious.

  8. And they wouldn’t be 16-0 w/o Brady either, so . . .

    Brady has 3 rings and 3 Pro-Bowl appearances w/ Reche Caldwell, Deion Branch, Troy Brown, and Jabar Gaffney as his wide receivers. End of story.

  9. Unknown, It sounds like your dislike for Moss is personal. You admit to his skill level, his production and his status as an all time great, but yet you don’t like him, sounds personal to me.

    I’m a Vikings fan, need I say more. I’ll take Randy any day of the week 24/7 over JRice. Please, don’t tell me about Rice’s stats as they compare to Moss. Artistic catches, degree of difficulty, and sheer excitment, while being double teamed, give me Moss.

    Now to be objective, it did piss me off when he would not block the DB’s on those sweeps around the right corner. But Rice was not know for his blocking skills either.

    Except for his two years in purgatory, I defy anyone to tell me of a QB who did not have his career year while throwing to Moss.

    No question, Moss for MVP. Moss has made Brady better, just like he did Caulpepper, Johnson, Cunningham, even Pennington back in college.

  10. Cevidence Says:

    For the record…Steve Smith is my favorite WR and player…PERIOD. He plays like the fate of the world relys on it…but anyway….

    Fans forget that athletes are not paid to be loved or liked. Randy probably doesnt give a damn how people feel about him. And that’s what I love the most about him. I hate hearing that Tom and Bill “changed him” into such a team player. But he probably let’s that ish go in one ear and out the other…

  11. Friedman on two words for you: Tuck rule.

  12. Mizzo, you mean the game when the refs correctly interpreted the rule of the game? That’s your “argument” against Brady? Other than your “society needs to be led” nonsense?

    Your own words are inadvertently supporting the Brady for MVP argument.

  13. HarveyDent Says:

    If I had to call out the best player in the NFL I would say Bob Sanders because it’s amazing to me that the smallest player in his unit is the most impactful. Indy was being run through like doodoo through a newborn last season before the playoffs without him but as soon as he comes back in the playoffs the team gets an attitude and wins the Lombardi. This season Dwight Freeney goes down and the defense doesn’t miss a beat because Sanders is still back there in the secondary supplying toughness, heart, and dastardly hits.

    RMoss is a phenomenal talent but like others have posted on here his on-field antics have rubbed me the wrong way sometimes especially when he said he plays when he wants to play. To be fair, I think he may have just threw that statement out there to get a rise out of the sheep but I wouldn’t put it past him to have been true at times. On a personal level, he rubs me wrong because he’s the spitting image of my college roommate who screwed me over our senior year only with a redneck twang. Once in a lifetime player and even I can see that.

  14. I hear you all, but 23 touchdowns and 16-0 equals the best.

    I’m nitpicking with mentioning the tuck rule, but Friedman you are such a clown. Explain to me why Moss is never on the marquee when announcers and fans alike initially mention the Pats.

  15. New England Patriots: 31 points.

    Tom Brady: 26/28, 262 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs.

    Randy Moss: 1 reception, 14 yards, 0 TDs.

    Any questions?

  16. Phillip Drummond Says:

    Nope, no questions… Class is ova’….

  17. Mizzo, I can’t speak for national media or fans, not paying much attention to them, but around here (live right in Boston) Randy’s right up there in the same breath as Brady, Harrison, Seymour, etc. He ‘s been terrific on and off the field, and the consensus of those uninformed fans is that he should absolutely be resigned, hang the cost.

    I think it’s pretty indisputable about Brady being the MVP however, and it’s because of the position he plays. Last night’s game is a good example of that. We wouldn’t be undefeatd without either of them, that much is certain. But without Randy we’d still be pretty good this year. Remember, we’d already picked up Welker and Stallworth to address our needs at wide receiver. Without Brady? Don’t like to think about it.

  18. TheLastPoet Says:

    No “questions” for you Fried, but you’ve given me an opportunity to state the obvious: Brady would not have had such an “amazing” game hitting WIDE OPEN dump-off receivers had THREE defenders NOT been covering Moss ON EVERY PLAY.

    So Moss did for the offense what Deion Sanders used to do for the defense, i.e., shutting down one half of the field merely opened up the other half for Brady to throw to. Get it? Even with only one catch for 14 yards, Moss was still incredibly valuable.

  19. I’m sorry, but hasn’t it already been established beyond debate that Fried-fraud don’t know nuthin’ ’bout nuthin’?

  20. Idiot friedman
    “New England Patriots: 31 points.

    Tom Brady: 26/28, 262 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs.

    Randy Moss: 1 reception, 14 yards, 0 TDs.

    Any questions?”

    The height of pitiable analysis.

  21. Mark
    Which team is better. Your team now with any other QB, say Payton Manning, or your team now with any other #1 WR? I think the answer is pretty clear. Do you dispute this?

  22. I don’t believe Moss is the best player in the league, but I believe he is undoubtedly the most dangerous and fear-inspiring player in the entire league – possibly since Lawrence Taylor. EVERY defensive coordinator and player knows that in a 1 on 1 situation they will LOSE – and lose big.

    Football, for all its complexity, is still a game of basic principles. Moss throws those basic principles into the rinse cycle before you add detergent. He’s a funky X-factor that subjects game planning to chaos theory. You must have a plan for him on every single play of the game. You must have an eye on him every single play and you must be prepared to RUN FOR YOUR LIFE on every single play.

    His presence on the two greatest offensive teams in league history speaks volumes. No other player can say that. In one of the greatest offensive seasons of all-time: Daunte Culpepper’s 2004 season (check the stats), Moss missed three full games and served as an on-field decoy for two. He still scared the hell out of defenses on one leg – and opened the field up for folks like Jermaine Wiggins and Nate Burleson.

    And the additions of Welker and Stallworth were insufficient to make this Pats team dominant. Welker doesn’t stretch the field. He shrinks the field. Stallworth is not a reliable threat to catch the ball. He has tremendous speed, but his hands are suspect. It has been Moss’ singular ability to challenge and defeat EVERY SINGLE DB in the ENTIRE LEAGUE that has elevated the offensive production of this team.

    As effective as Brady has been with his varying cast of receivers – he was basically a 28-12 (TD-INT) type of player. Those are excellent numbers (discounting the divisional mediocrity of the Dolphins, Bills and Jets over that period), but he’s done it playing a 1st place schedule for years. That’s solid, yet the numbers (in and of themselves) were NEVER remarkable. This season, his numbers have been remarkable because of Moss – period.

    Great piece Mizzo.

  23. Great video clip Mizzo. You could hear the hush come over the room when Moss talked about “shutting you guys up.”

  24. I don’t think it’s necessary to say one is greater than the other. The fact is without Moss, Brady was already great and without Brady, Moss was already great. Put them together and we are witnessing history. And it’s pretty ridiculous to think that anyone ‘forgets about’ Moss when talking about the Patriots this year. Other than Brady, he is the most visible player on the team and certainly the most-feared player on the team. He gets plenty of respect and he deserves all of it. If it were up to me, I would have made Moss and Brady co-MVPs, because they both deserve all the accolades. (But quarterbacks and runningbacks always get that particular award, so it’s hard to say that it wasn’t fair that Moss didn’t get MVP).

  25. ONLY on this site will you have this many TB haters. Truly astounding. The funny thing is he should have been 28-28 if not for two dropped passes.

    The point, TLP, is that Moss was completely taken out of the game, double-coverage on “every play” or not (you have access to the coaches film?) . . . and the Pats offense still rolled, and Brady was still unbelievable. Moss was rendered totally and completely ineffective.

    If Brady were taken out of a game like Moss just was, there is no way the Pats can win. Therefor, Brady is MUCH more valuable. End of story.

  26. Friedman I added something to the piece just for your consumption. I compared indirectly Randy Moss’ 2007 season to that of Albert Belle’s circa 1995.

    Can’t wait to hear what you have to say. Make it good.

    I’m a Michigan fan. Tom Brady was my favorite quarterback there. This isn’t about Tom Brady. It’s incredulous why you don’t get it. Instead you want to add words hear and there.

    Do you understand?

    Randy Moss was doubled and triple covered most of the night. That’s a fact.

    Brady made the throws, but everything was underneath. The throw to Stallworth is a testament of just how talented and accurate Brady is.

    Don’t be a agitator here. These people know what they are talking about.

  27. Mizzo:

    Friedfraud is merely following the pattern of making this about personal attacks which are not in evidence. It’s an age-old tactic and is a corollary of justifying attacks on folks like Bonds and Moss based on their PERSONALITIES. It’s par for the course.

    That’s still an excellent clean up by the way.

  28. Kev,
    Yes I do. In this league, you’ve simply got to have a great quarterback if you want to win Super Bowls. Having great wide receievers is a bonus, but you can win without them. We’ve done it 3 times. All those years where we beat the Colts – and Manning – show how important Brady’s been to this team.

    I don’t want anything I say to be construed as anti- Moss in any way however. HE has been absolutely tremendous, along with Jerry Rice the best receiver I’ve ever seen. And he’s fit in just fine here – as a Pats fan, watching and listening to him and Brady has been marvelous!

  29. Temple says:
    And the additions of Welker and Stallworth were insufficient to make this Pats team dominant. Welker doesn’t stretch the field. He shrinks the field. Stallworth is not a reliable threat to catch the ball. He has tremendous speed, but his hands are suspect. It has been Moss’ singular ability to challenge and defeat EVERY SINGLE DB in the ENTIRE LEAGUE that has elevated the offensive production of this team.

    No one would argue that Moss doesn’t make the Pats better. What folks have to understand though, is that last year we were within one play of making the Super Bowl with Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffey as our top receievers. So when we picked up Welker and Stallworth, everybody in NE was convinced we’d done enough to go the extra mile in 2007. We didn’t get Randy until draft day, and that was only because we had talked Oakland down to a 4th round pick. No one was going to risk more than that, at least not here.

    So would the Pats be undefeated without Moss? Highly unlikely. But I think we would have been at least 14-2 and probably getting ready to host the AFC championship game next weekend. Is everybody here glad we have him? You betcha!

  30. Mark thanks for your dissent, but your team would not be 16-0 this year without Moss. Brady has done it without top flight receivers in the past, but not to this unique tune.

    T3, Friedman has been exposed a long time ago on SOMM.

    He’s silenced his knife so to speak, but at least he’s been consistent.

  31. Mark my comment was made as you were posting yours. My apologies.

  32. Mark…that’s a great point.

    The only counterpoint I’d raise (and it’s a small one) is that the Chargers went out of their way to get New England back in that game. It’s hard to remember a bigger choke job by an elite team. With respect to everything else, I’d have to agree with you.

  33. Mark

    At the beginning of last season, I thought the Pats were primed to win it all because of their upgrades at TE. I thought they were going to play power ball and run/throw out of heavy sets. With Watson, they could have carved up many defenses by getting him deep against a safety or LB. They went a different route.

    I also thought Chad Jackson would be a better receiver for them.

    I have to ponder these things because I’m an avowed Pat-hater and Steeler fan.

  34. @Fried,

    “New England Patriots: 31 points.

    Tom Brady: 26/28, 262 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs.

    Randy Moss: 1 reception, 14 yards, 0 TDs.”

    Any questions?

    Yea, I gotta question, If Moss was so ineffective why was he allowed to play the whole game? Billichek, must be slipping with his coaching skills for allowing Randy to play the whole game.

    Did you notice that Maroney’s longest runs came on the side of the field opposite Moss?

    Fried, based on your assesment of Moss’s numbers, surely you must conclude that he must be traded or benched, immediately.

  35. T3 what’s up with Chad? I also thought he would be more effective. He’s built like a more muscular Steve Atwater.

  36. Mark

    I think I wasn’t clear. My point was that there are several QB’s in the league who could have stepped into that lineup and the pats would still be 17-0, but that only Moss and the unique way in which D’s must focus on him, combined with his performance is the only WR in the league that could have made this team 17-0. So now my question is do you dispute that?

  37. Kev – yes:) But if you argue that only Brady and Moss together could make it happen, then we’re in total agreement.

    Mizzo – thanks, no problem.

    Temple – I”m surprised also at the route they took, and Chad Jackson’s failure to develop into a primary receiver. There’s some speculation in these parts that because they’ll want to resign Moss, and perhaps Samuel, that Stallworth will be the one let go. And if they do that, it’ll be with the assumption that Jackson can step into his shoes. And I agree with you about last year, SD really helped us a lot. A Steeler fan? From the Pittsburgh area? That’s where I grew up.

  38. Mizzo,
    The rumors I’ve heard about Chad are that he doesn’t get it mentally as much as he should, and he’s a bit soft regarding injuries. Mind you, these are local media speculations – you know how open Belichick is with the press:)

  39. Mark
    LOL. I ain’t madatcha, we’ll just have to agree to disagree…..

  40. KEv,
    As evidence, I offer you Peyton Manning’s performance today….:)

  41. Payton wasn’t throwing to Moss and crew.

  42. Mark:

    I’m a Steeler fan, but not from Pittsburgh. I was drawn in as a youth when they were pounding on the punk-ass Cowboys. I’ve always liked their style of play – far more than the Giants or Jets (my local choices). The Jets have never cared about winning – so I’ve never bothered to waste a moments time “cheering” for those busters. The Giants of my youth were incapable of taking a knee to close out a game. All of that AND an autographed photo of Franco Harris cemented the deal for me.

    Stallworth is blazing fast, but he’s a mediocre talent at the position. He’s still not a refined route runner. He has durability questions and he lacks the toughness and fortitude to establish himself over the middle. Moss made his services largely redundant. He won’t be missed in NE next year – but he would be a tremendous asset if he to somehow wind up back in Philly. If he and McNabb played an entire season with Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown, it could be ON!

    BTW: that report on Chad Jackson is enough to make me think he was recruited by Steve Spurrier.

  43. thebrotherreport Says:

    I’ll say this; Randy Moss IMO is the most talented player to play the WR position probably ever. I don’t think he was the best that still goes to Jerry Rice. And I love Moss’ game but all I see is the “Fly” or the “Go” pattern from Moss where he just outruns the defender, and if that works for him that’s what he should do until he can’t anymore.

    With Rice he ran every kind of route that a receiver can run the slant over the middle which I’ve never seen Moss run. Rice made John Taylor better because he was such an excellent decoy, same in Moss’ case and this season Wes Welker was the beneficiary of that. And Rice would find a way to get the ball. Moss in recent years let frustration get the best of him at times. When Rice got frustrated it was the secondary that suffered, not his team.

  44. Moss’s touchdowns are on Go routes, but he runs every kind of route. Deep crossing patterns are one the favorite routes he and Brady hook up on.

  45. Just curious if Moss taking plays off was by design by a smart OC, due to his rep. If you watched the some of the plays drawn up by the vikings oc he would loligag at the los and then when the db was ‘bored’ he would go right by him either on a slant or a slant n go.

  46. gary greene Says:

    I found this posted on another site.
    I am a diehard 49ers fan & I went to Candlestick Park games. I had posters of Jerry Rice on my walls. Jerry Rice was my biggest influence to play football. I’m a realist, I am able to drop my pure love and idol and admiration to Jerry Rice in sake of pure argument. I was a star wide-receiver in High School and played D-1 College Ball. I know football & I know that Randy Moss is a better pure athlete than Jerry Rice. I know Jerry Rice is my idol, but for me, I’m comfortable with Randy Moss being mentioned in the same breath as Jerry Rice. Moss is awesome. I’ve followed his whole career. The media paints the worse picture of this guy. He can run routes. He does work hard. He is a team player. He can block. He is faster than Rice, he has just as much juke, separation and hands. He can jump up higher than Jerry. Rice did those endzone double coverage jump balls too, for those of you that that don’t know. So, when people say Moss only runs and jumps. It’s ignorance, hate and sportscenter highlights all you see. The absolute BIGGEST thing nobody brings up is the fact that Randy Moss has 17+ Td’s in 3 seasons now. Jerry Rice only has 2 in his whole career! I bet Randy duplicates that feat a few more times. Here is something huge to think about. Jerry Rice “didn’t” get 23 receiving TD’s in 16 games. He got 22 in his 3rd season, a shortened season of 12 games. Awesome, but. He never even got close to that again and played as you all know till his 40′s. I think it needs to be mentioned, Rice “didn’t” score 23 TD’s in 16 games. I’m a huge Rice fan. I was actually at his last game as a 49er before he went to Oakland. So, now that you know I’m from the Bay Area and grew up a Rice. I believe all things aside from career, Pro Bowls, Stats, SuperBowl Rings, Etc. Randy Moss is the best Wide-Receiver we’ve ever seen. Period. He started his career at a very young age of 21 years old, and scored 17TDS!! Yes, 17 Td’s! He’s the most feared player on offense, maybe ever. He is on offense what Deion Sanders could do for you on defense. I know X’s & O’s. His mere presence is more scary and impacting to the defense than Rice’s ever was. I remember every game Rice ever played. This debate has even goes back to their college football days. Moss broke Rice’s college records. Nobody ever has ever caught more regular season touchdown passes than any freshman in NCAA history and broke nearly every record in the receiving book, the most noteworthy being Jerry Rice’s consecutive touchdown reception mark, and the 29 TD’s Moss got over Rice’s 27 TD’s his first season in NCAA. Did you do your research? Moss’s 2nd season before pro’s at Marshall, 1997, Moss grabbed a recording a record 25 touchdown receptions. (moss & rice’s first year in college was ncaa-II) Was arguably one of the greatest season or 2 year career by any college player, ever. (#1 player is Barry Sanders in my opinion, not many would argue). Lastly, I leave you with this. He has state H.S. titles in the 100m 200m dashes. A great college track runner as well. State title in football. And a great basketball player. He was drafted in baseball, which many thought was his best sport (centerfield). According to Lou Holtz, he’s the greatest high school athlete he’s ever seen. Bobby Bowden said his measuring stick for athletes is Deion Sanders as far as when people as him questions about players. Bowden said, Moss is a bigger Deion Sanders. Only guy he’s ever mentioned up there with Deion. I think, not sure though, that Lou Holtz also repeated those same words. Moss ran at Florida State, a 4.25, (3’6″ vertical also) only faster ever was Deion’s 4.23. Impressive. Although, Dennis Green did say once on National T.V., he ran a 4.18. Deion said 4.19 on T.V. once I heard live also. I think your missing the point in the great scheme of things. Moss is Michael Jordan, Deion Sanders, and Jerry Rice, in one body. Basically the High School and college talk ,I was just stating how great an athlete he really is. Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders and Randy Moss are the 3 best ever. And that he broke Rice’s records in college also.
    In conclusion, Rice can be said to be the best ever still. I agree. Moss has the potential to be considered the best ever. He has the better tools to do so. You can argue this and argue that. I believe in between the lines, nothing to do with you opinion of the man himself. No one has ever been more explosive or impressive, graceful and dominant as Moss. If Randy Moss can keep up these stats, for the stat hermits. One day it will be hard to argue Jerry Rice being the best ever. The multiple seasons touchdowns of 17+ Td’s, I believe will be 5-6 seasons for Moss to only 2 seasons for Jerry Rice. In closing, most people compare Jerry Rice and Randy Moss’s first 10 years, for stat projections, but they never say Randy Moss is 2 years younger than Rice was in the 10th year of playing in the NFL. Moss started younger. Moss is 30 in his 10th year, Rice was 32. Thanks for reading my views. We should just enjoy Moss on the field and embrace greatness and entertainment. Rice of Moss? Payton or Sanders? Montana or Brady? Mays or Bonds? Same category. End of discussion.

  47. Gary Greene,

    Welcome to TSF. We love a healthy debate. I to am a niners fan and I must agree with you, Randy is all that. It’s like comparing Kobe to MJ. Mj is the best ever and the measuring stick but Kobe was better earlier in his career and still has a lot of games to go. Montana is the man in my eyes so I will say he is the best ever period. Thank you so much for the bio on Randy. I had no idea he was a track star. Hope to see you again around these parts fellow niners fan.

  48. just catching up a bit. great article mizzo. And yes, that Mo Vaughn over that historic Albert Belle season WAS criminal. IMO, baseball writers are probably the worst of the 3 sports as they inject the most moral bullshit…

    But to the question. Yes, Rany Moss is the best receiver we have ever seen and ditto much of Gary’s post. The following question must be asked: what if Moss had Tom Brady throwing to him his entire career? Or what if he had Montana and Steve Young?

    Now if the article’s original question is modified to who is the most superior player that you have ever seen AT THEIR POSITION, I don’t go with Moss or Deion. I go with Devin Hester…

  49. [...] a shame that Randy has played on the two best offenses of all time with nothing to show for [...]

  50. Gary Greene Says:

    Hello, I’m back. I have more to debate anytime. I won 2 out of my 3 fantasy teams this year. Let me know if you need help. And yes, I had Moss on all the 2 teams that won. hehe. My points are good for people that don’t know the real Randy Moss. You can learn lots about Moss by searching. And Modi, it’s not Devon Hestor. Moss/Deion would play a staggering rate of plays compared to Hestor. Although, I agree, Hestor IS INCREDIBLE and just may be the best returner ever. But you can take away the return game, you can’t take away Moss or Deion. Those two players will be deciding and impacting game every single snap. We’re talking 40-60 snaps a game. Well, haha, in Deion’s case, when he went both ways, 100+, anyway. Hey Michelle, :) I now live in SoCal. But I still am up there very often. NEXT YEAR, WE SHOULD BE BETTER, WE ONLY NEED A QUARTERBACK, MAYBE ONE DAY!! Can’t wait till this season, GO NINERS!

  51. great pics great game.i love you Vikes. i miss Minnesota. THANKS FOR THE ABDUCTION OF MY CHILD NOW FUCKED MY A BUNCH OF GANG BANGERS IN LEADERSHIP STALKING ME FOR 6 YRS NOW.

  52. I like your thinking and I agree that Moss is one of the most impactful, feared, and productive players in the NFL. I love Russ Welker but he wouldn’t be who he is today without Moss. People forget that. And look at Moss’ numbers without Brady. He’s still got Pro-Bowl numbers.

  53. [...] school, I didn’t play much quarterback. I wanted to play wide receiver. I was a big fan of Randy Moss and Peter Warrick coming up. I wanted to follow in their footsteps. I played quarterback as a [...]

  54. hey, Randy do you think you and Tom can break more records this season when Tom Brady gets back

  55. freidman, your brady stats & then showing moss w/ only 1 catch, shows how you don’t know football. moss out there on the field, creates more for other players than any other play on offense, IN HISTORY

  56. Randy Moss is insane.. and unbelievable. You cannot deny he has great talent he makes some of the most insane catches and he’s made a lot of one-handed catches that just electrify me with excitement it’s always a blast to watch that guy. Moss is always being covered more than any other WR in the game that I know of; he in fact is a dangerous player and I love the guy. Me being a HUGE Minnesota Vikings fan I miss the guy being on the Vikings, I sadly miss Culpepper, Cris Carter, and Moss being on the Vikings those games hands down were the BEST; I couldn’t get enough of that line-up.. I do like watching Brady and Moss too, but I preferred Moss as a Viking but as long as he’s still in the game I’ll always be watching him for an exciting play I defently agree that moss is ONE of the best WR’s in the game probably the best actually.

  57. [...] high school, I didn’t play much quarterback. I wanted to play wide receiver. I was a big fan of Randy Moss and  Peter Warrick coming up. I wanted to follow in their footsteps. I played quarterback as a [...]

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