Anyone with a brain knows the common denominator between the two most prolific offenses in history is Randy Moss. That is a fact. There’s no denying it. Hiding it or Tom Brady sack riding it.

What the hell is that? So Tom Brady (Go Blue!) chucks up balls to the end zone in double coverage and gets credit for a touchdown? Bullshit!

Like so many of you have mentioned soooo many times; This team does not go undefeated without Moss. Wes Welker had a career year because of strong safeties covering him. I could go all day on this, but I have work to be done, so I’ll shut up.

It was a slap in Moss’ face that he didn’t win Offensive Player of the Year. I guarantee you it was because of his post game comments after the Giants win.

Lil B@tches! If Moss was on another team he would still be getting slammed.

Love the discussion. Friedman you are getting a little soft man. Too much TSF?

I pointed out a strange, strange hypocrisy in your comments.

On one hand, you can understand using hte argument that if Brady had Harrision and Wayne he would be just as good.

On the other had you can’t understand that if Vick was white he would have been treated differently.

Same basic premise at the core, but you seem unable to grasp it. That seems curious to me.

I mean, it’s a proven fact that Brady has been outstanding with an elite receiver. It’s a proven fact that black athletes are treated differently than white athletes by the media and fans.

Yet, you can’t seem to grasp the similarity between the two arguments. That’s either an example of willful ignorace or deception.

Which one is it?

Cause, I sure have noticed that you hate when the black folks use that same conjecture about how certain athletes or issues would have been treated differently if the races of the athletes involved were different. Particularly comments about a certain Michael Vick.

So, are you using random assumptions to buttress your points and then castigating others when they do the same? Cause, well, that kind of sounds hypocritical. And I know a God-fearing, tax cut loving, conservative like yourself couldn’t be a hypocrite.

I would say, Carolina should make a move for Leftwich or Aaron Brooks, in the offseason. Cheap guys who would be an upgrade from Moore, Carr, and Delhomme.

All they have to do is convince Bill Cower (sp) to come out of retirement…he already lives in Raliegh

Regardless of who you feel is MVP, 4th round pick for Moss? Nobody else in the league could jump on that? 30 stupid GMs… 31 including Al for giving him away for a 4th rounder.

And I agree with Cev… I love Steve Smith’s attitude, you almost forget the dude is 5′10″, he plays so much more aggressive and stronger than that.

Wayne is relatively new, for the most part Harrison was Peyton’s main weapon and as much as I like Wayne and Harrison, both being no. 1s I would say Randy Moss is head and shoulders over both of them because of his size, hands , and speed.

You give Brady the WR tandem of Wayne & Harrison all those years, and his and Manning’s roles would have been reversed, statistically speaking. And Brady would still have the rings.

As much as it pains me to say this. You make very good points.

Brady is a great QB and has had many good (above average WRs). When he first came in he had 3 good WRs, I believe Branch, Patton, and Boston. They got rid of Boston and Patton, and Branch came into his own as an elite receiver, he and Tom made good but no excellent numbers, like this year. They get rid of Branch and Tom has Gaffney and Caldwell, they do ok but they fall a notch in on-field achievement and clutch play making ability.

Then along comes Randy. He comes in and all of a sudden, a horizontal passing team turns into a vertical team. Randy allows them to change their whole offensive strategy. He comes in and all of a sudden, Brady makes Manning look like a QB a notch below him, before this season no one would think and no one would say Brady was a better QB than Peyton, but when Randy comes he is now an ATG and HoF QB. Brady admits that Randy has made the game easier for him, all he has to do is throw it up. Bellicheck, says Randy is the smartest WR he has ever had as well.

All this is said, because there is no way in hell you can name another player, other than Terrell Owens, who has taken a team from contender to such heights in one season. NO ONE.

For Randy Moss not to get a single vote for MVP is ridiculous. I don’t think its a racial thing, I believe its more positional, but still, in my eyes the Pats without Randy Moss, keeping Stallworth and Welker, would they would not have a perfect season, Brady would not have the TD record, Brady still would be rated as a QB below Manning and tied with Palmer, and the Pats would still be a run oriented offense.

Randy Moss changed the way the Pats play football, thats screams MVP to me.

I’m done on it now though.

AMEN!

Allen….now THAT’S science!!

People of color need their own Hall Of Fame anyway.

Instead, he became a game changer, a scheme buster and then caught more touchdowns than any receiver before him.

That needs to be noted and not dismissed by saying “well if he would have tried hard in Oakland then he wouldn’t have been given away.”

How can someone make that argument, while simultaneously making the argument that the Raiders have lacked talent and coaching for years? How can they make that argument and ignore Moss’s stats his first year with the Raiders?

How can you make the argument that Moss doesn’t play hard after looking at his career numbers?

It’s an arbitrary award by nature, but it’s still important. Sportwriters use the MVPs, an award they hand out, to justify placement in the hall of fame and player salaries. They use it justify ego and other things. So, winning the MVP is important because it defines a players value in the media, which then dictates how they will be treated by fans and often by their teams.

It’s statistical dominance and team success, those are typically the two characteristics for the award. However, sportswriters change that up whenever they feel like it.

Now take Devin Hester last year……….without him, do the Bears make the play-offs, let alone the Super Bowl?? If all you do is take Devin out and put another returner in, same exact situations, the other 10 guys still execute the same blocks – do the Bears still get the same number of TDs..or even half? Really….what is a MVP? When Aaron Rodgers came in for Farve in that Dallas game, he didn’t lead me to believe that without Farve they were out of the playoff picture that day if Farve didn’t come back. Please, take Walter Jones out of the O-line in Seattle….they will lose. MVP is really just a glorified title for best statistical season, not really the person whose value is the greatest to the team’s success.

Miranda: backing down from another challenge. Color me surprised.

I’m cool with Brady winning but why not make them share. This team did great things that have never been done before. How can Randy not share a lot of the credit for that.

You right Barry did get robbed but your boy Friedman would never say that. That’s why his rhetoric is bs.

Miranda,

LOL! Girl I needed that laugh.

I agree with you. I think unfortunately women were more in the back ground in those days thus the portrayal of her character may have been accurate. She was very good though. She played the little girl in Eves Bayou. She’s all grown up now. I’m looking forward to seeing her in more films. But as far as the movie goes, I think Denzel’s character really over powered the film. He was brilliant as usual. I’m surprised or maybe not that the movie was only nominated for 1 golden globe. Best Picture.

Plus, I feel Barry got robbed, and I’ve been hating Favre ever since. The gross verbal fellatio performed on him every time he does anything, has made me despise him more

For a RB to get MVP he has to set records, that’s pretty much the only time a QB doesn’t get the reward. And who wins these things besides QBs/RBs? You can argue that Tom Brady isn’t MVP without his Left Tackle (and all those holds that line seems to get away with). Really it is a glamour award, and QB is the glamour position, I don’t really see any need to get worked up about it.