T3!!! LMFAO!!! And it’s too bad when one can’t see the ‘moving parts’…they’re so sexy, so necessary and so much harder for the binary-thinking-addicts to appreciate. on/off black/white cheater/god

And ya know, I feel Vick was oblivious too. He was oblivious in a different way, but none-the-less oblivious. Both Bonds and Vick were also probably too confident in their power to ‘transcend’ and ‘nuetralize’ because that came natural in high school when the stakes were hella lower. Vick knew more about certain rules of the ‘underground’ elite rather than the ‘mainstream’ elite and well…we know the power dynamics inherent there. I don’t know where he would’ve learned a sustainable template either (to deal with his unique circumstance), I honestly don’t.

And with Barry Lamar, well, he has such an intriguing position given the/his history and familial legacy in sports, the fact that SO much of that is ignored-unframed in MSM coverage (coverage that was already perverted yes) is quite telling.

No suprise here, those who know, know it’s deeper than (him).
Feel free to fill in plenty names…..(him)

Thanks for sharing your insight and analyses regarding Bonds, Clemens, Aaaron, Mays, MLB, Iraq, American racism and anything else that I might have failed to mention in this sentence.

I need to mention, however, that what hurt Mays’ cumulative totals was having to play all those years in Candlestick Park. The entire deal that led to the development of a baseball stadium at that particular site was as funky as 30 day old unchanged athletic socks. Playing at Candlestick probably prevented Mays, McCovey, Marichal, Cepeda, Bonds fils and the Alou Brothers (Felipe, Mateo and Jesus) from winning more than a few pennants. (Having the racist Alvin Dark as a manager probably did not help either.)

I think Barry was oblivious, as you correctly, pointed out to some more influential larger issues but most professional athletes – Bill Bradley was a noticeable exception – don’t spend much time time around folks who could give them any insight about these issues. Poor Vick didn’t even bother to listen to folks who would have told him that dog fighting was a huge no, no.

And seriously, I do believe you have a bit too much venom for your own good. You clearly know next to nothing about the topic. You can count backwards to 1974, but that and a Metrocard will get you to the South Bronx.

Think about why you’re visiting TSF having the conversations your having while discussing “black skin” and “white skin” – and then projecting that mythical reality on to others. Perhaps someday, you’ll actually be able to identify the Black race and the White race. I suggest you start the process by holding your breath. You can breath again when you’re done.

Aside from misrepresenting the point about the Bonds-Aaron dynamic, you’re right on point. Can’t you get anything right? Seriously, what did you major in? Let me guess – something quantitative…it’s why you feel you should be smug – even though you can’t see the moving parts. Too many lonely days and nights fiddling with your on/off switch 01010110101011001101011010. Are you on or off?

Besides, you’ll be leaving soon. This is your end. Tick tock.

Seriously, get a clue. Try to see the forest through the trees. Your observation here has absolutely nothing to do with the charge that 10 year olds 1974 should today be held accountable and judged for the attitude of some whities back in 1974. Do I really have to explain this all over again? I’m responding to the sweeping (racist, IMO) charges that the very general entity known as “white folk” are today a bunch of hypocrites for railing on about the sullying — by Barry Bonds — of a once glorious baseball record, whereas those same whities supposedly back in ‘74 had nothing but scorn for Henry Aaron. So, every 10 year old white kid back in ‘74 was upset because a black man beat Ruth’s home run mark? Really? Hell, you can’t even say that about all white adults back then, much less the kids. How about a 3 year old? Think they had a feeling one way or the other, and if they did, they should still be held accountable for it TODAY???

It’s amazing how much your clinging to the party line destroys your sense of reason and logic. But you have quite a bit of company, starting with uber-racists Michelle and sankofa.

I was 12 years old in 1974, and I and anyone else I knew in my age group (at least those who were black) FULLY understood the racial implications that occurred during Aaron’s pursue of the home run record. I can still remember watching “60 Minutes” and they read some of the hate letters that were sent to Aaron. Yes, we knew full well what was “going on”.

One last thing. I can give you many people both black and white who could vouch for my character. I wonder how many black names you could give me to vouch for yours? GOODBYE!

After this comment I will ignore you. First of all you are not qualified to talk to any black person about racism. The fact that you don’t even care to mention what blacks have gone through in this country shows you don’t give a sh.. There have been several examples laid here before you of whites getting away with murder, steroid use etc. However you give no explanation for why white people are not outraged at these individuals. We are not saying all white people are racist. Obviously you’re the idiot ’cause the Aaron thing is over your head. Ty Cobb was mentioned by someone earlier, I find it disgusting steroid use trumps denying a entire race of people who have the ability the right to play in the majors. Many if not all the records would be different if blacks, latinos and japanese players were allowed to play. Since most of the best all around players in the game today are members of one of those three races. Oh, I i forgot pedophilia (Woody Allen). If many whites continue to have selective outrage then blacks will continue to be outraged. After all black people have been dealing with this since we have been here. So again Joe there is NO valid reason for the outrage spewed at Bonds and Vick since others have done much worse things without the same reaction. Your history is not mine. so continue to have a distorted view of this country. For blacks even in 2007 there is a lot of stupid bs we deal with everyday. Even though those of us here take our college educated butts to work and pay taxes just like you do. Baseballs greatest crime was not allowing people of color play. I keep hearing it’s a sad day. What? Not allowing us play wasn’t the saddest? Furthermore, there has been all kinds of cheating in baseball from doctored balls, corked bats, and all kinds of drugs. Most of the Phillies world series team was on speed (and some on steroids). So lets open the record books. Mark up everything pre 1947 and all the other things I just mentioned. Don’t stop there, let’s open up the NFL books to. Since you’re so moral, you should be more concerned with all the lies your president is telling. I work in healthcare with some of the most unethical, lazy, lying individuals on the planet. So the next time you need a hospital stay, you had better be concerned about that.

Still waiting for you to cease being a tedious, liiteral minded nudnik. While you’re amusing yourself being so literal, why don’t you show me a picture of a “white” person? Say, you know it’s kind of funny…all these people around here talking about “white” folks, and not once did you challenge them to explain what precisely they mean by a “white” person. Why is that? Could it possibly be the usual racial double standard at work amongst the racist black coterie on this forum? Yup, I think so.

…which makes your blubbering about disrespect toward Aaron all the dumber. Your argument is that it’s hypocritical for people to chastise Bonds because he has sullied the purity of MLB’s greatest record, and that those people now turn toward the glorification of Aaron to justify their hatred of Bonds. Yet, these same people — according to you — didn’t give Aaron an ounce of support in the first place. And it is right here that the idiotic and racist nature of this argument rears its head. Aaron broke the record in 1974, over 33 years ago. I’d say you’d have to be at least an adult (18 years or older) in order to have had any racial motivation for your likes and dislikes when Aaron broke the record. This means that anyone of roughly 51 years of age or younger COULDN’T POSSIBLY have had any sentiments about Aaron’s race back in 1974, one way or the other. And yet, you and many other racists here assume that every whitey who despises Bonds necessarily does so because of his race, and that these same whities — a great number of which likely not even out of diapers in ‘74 — supposedly also despised Aaron because he was a black man. Ummm hmmm…right. And this doesn’t even speak of the majority of older white people who actually aren’t racists and who couldn’t care less about the race of a player. I contend that it is racist of you to, (1) assume all white people who criticize cheating black people do so because of race, and (2) that any white person who wasn’t even born or of cognizant age back in ‘74 hated Aaron because he was black! It’s sheer racist lunacy for you to believe this.

It’s not that I actually expect you to comprehend the rampant hypocrisy underlying your racism, but what the hell, I figured I’d try to explain. But go ahead, keep on believin’ that all those white people out there are just lil’ ol’ devils. It’ll get you real far in life, you betcha.

That’s the dumbest shit I’ve read in a whole day – but it’s still pretty stooooopid.

The Aaron question was already answered before you even asked the question. Aaron like Roger Maris before him was never celebrated by the MSM or the fans. No one here said his name wasn’t in the record books as the owner of the record.(Maris single season record)

Joe is obviously a clown that we should all just ignore.

If you have an argument, whether economic, political, social, cultural, or legal against Barry Bonds then make it.

As an aside, I’m white, so I am not sure where I should be placed in your typology of “racists”.

You have not defined “race.” I’ll wait.

You get a life. This blog is full of college educated hard working people. After watching the MSM bash Vick, Bonds or talk about Paris Hilton all damn day,we come here to relax and express ourselves. Not that we need to explain that to you.The general public needs to get a life being so obsessed with what color underwear Brittny Spears is wearing instead of the fact that the dollars value is dropping at a rapid rate or the war in Iraq.