Breaking News: Barry Bonds Indicted On Perjury and Obstruction Charges
Still The Starting Five’s Best of all time. Seven MVPs are seven MVPs
Charges aside…..How much money was made off the bat of one Barry Lamar Bonds?
Use your cotton money wisely….
No this isn’t all about race, but it would be totally irrational not to consider what the last two home run kings have went through. I tell you this, Blacks are going to run from this sport like never before. That’s unfortunate.
You have your vantage point, we have ours. Why are you so interested in bringing this man down? I might use Clemens and Armstrong as references, but I could care less if they go down. They have nothing to do with my life. I don’t ascribe to the Barry Bond’s philosophy of life either. This is about principle and nothing else.
Look into the eyes of some of these people that will be trotted in front of America today. What do you see?
Hatred. They are going hard on Barry. What the hell is that about? This shit is crazy.
You won’t read any criticism of Hank Aaron here. God bless you Hank. Live your life sir.
Writers with Black face: Do you understand why TSF has been all over your work? You are a part of this. If you would have kept your shuckin and jivin butts out of Barry’s face, maybe the perception of him would be different. You jumped the fence right along with your counterparts.
Stay there. Don’t come back!
Seriously, has Barry Bonds been called the home run king as much as he has since the indictment?
Is it still funny to you?
Thanks for not being true to the game.
Check out Temple 3’s assessment of this bs.
August 7th, 2007 was such a happy day when Barry Bonds passed Hank Aaron. History was made and regardless of your opinion of Barry, this can never be taken away from him or his fans.
Halloween was a little more than two weeks ago, but you can best believe Barry Bonds haters are rejoicing as Barry Bonds (the wicked witch to baseball loyalists)–after a four year investigation–has been indicted.
(It appears) Greg Anderson just flipped on his boy. He has just been released on the same day Barry has been indicted.
Anderson’s lawyer has disputed this claim, and I hope he’s being honest. The timing of his release is sketchy. If Anderson didn’t roll over, I’ll apologize implicitly.
Anyway…
Ding dong the witch is dead.
Huh! What?
Despicable! I’m disgusted.
Check the colors of the faces. The lines have been drawn. Thank you Stephen A. Smith for telling it like it is as I type this. His exchange with Chris McKendry will be heavily scrutinized by MSM.
Hollatchabuoy brotha!
Stephen A. is probably being comforted with Martin Luther King Jr. fans because the brotha just snapped.
Hypothetically, I can hear him now…”Oh lawd, the nerve of these people! At the end of the day…at the end of the day, Barry Lamar Bonds is the subject of a witch hunt that is ridiculous and utterly despicable!” “Who do they think I am? Boo, boo the fool?”
Preach on brotha. Thanks for being one of the early few to speak real rap on this.
You will hear writers all day long characterize opinions like this as unreasonable and illogical.
Please, what’s irrational is that Roger Clemens, or Biggio, or Armstrong, or Alzado, or Chris Benoit, or the NFL or anyone else has not been held to the fire like Bonds. It’s just not possible. These trumped up charges will not stick.
What took so long to bring forth credible evidence?
Here’s the indictment.
“I’m surprised,” said John Burris, one of Bonds’ attorneys, “but there’s been an effort to get Barry for a long time. “I’m curious what evidence they have now they didn’t have before.”
The indictment charged Bonds with lying when he said that he didn’t knowingly take steroids given to him by his personal trainer, Greg Anderson. He also denied taking steroids at anytime in 2001 when he was pursuing the season home-run record.
He is also charged with lying that Anderson never injected him with steroids.
“Greg wouldn’t do that,” Bonds testified in December 2003 when asked if Anderson ever gave him any drugs that needed to be injected. “He knows I’m against that stuff.”
I’m done with baseball. I wanted to see 800. I’m sick. Can you hear the stories 40 years from now? “Barry Bonds was the only player found guilty of taking steroids. He singlehandedly tainted the legacy of the entire sport of baseball. Burn your Bonds jerseys all you sons of Bobby Baseballs.” The Nascarification of the league is complete. Barry Bonds is officially blackballed. He will not be signed by any team. Eventually all records will be vacated.
Baseball is pre 1947 again.
The White House quickly weighed in on the indictment. President Bush is a former owner of the Texas Rangers.
“The president is very disappointed to hear this,” Bush spokesman Tony Fratto said. “As this case is now in the criminal justice system, we will refrain from any further specific comments about it. But clearly this is a sad day for baseball.”
Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, who is investigating drug use in baseball, declined comment. So did Hall of Fame vice president Jeff Idelson.
This shouldn’t be a shock. We all knew damn well this case would not disappear. I side with Barry Bonds on this.
From the San Jose Mercury News:
Michael Rains, Bonds’ lawyer, issued a statement saying that the government did not give him the “courtesy” of showing him the indictment, so he’s not yet reviewed the charges. However, Rains added: “It goes without saying that we look forward to rebutting these charges in court.” “All you need to know about the government’s case is that they leaked an official indictment to every media outlet in America and withheld it from Barry, his lawyer, and everyone else who could read it and defend him,” said Rains.
“Now that their biased allegations must finally be presented openly in a court of law, they won’t be able to hide their unethical misconduct from the public any longer. You won’t read about those facts in this indictment, but now the public will get the whole truth, not just selectively leaked fabrications from anonymous sources.
“What we want to know is whether the media will spend as much time repairing Barry’s reputation as they have destroying it after he is proven innocent by a fair and impartial jury.”
Balco founder Victor Conte, Jr., who served four months in prison for distributing illegal drugs and laundering money, defended Bonds today - as he has since the investigation became public in 2003.
“I certainly haven’t seen all of the evidence in Barry’s case, however, I’ve seen a lot of it and I just don’t think there’s enough to meet the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt,” he said in an e-mail to the Mercury News. “They say it’s possible to ‘indict a ham sandwich’ and, unfortunately, I think it’s going to take a very long time for us to find out if that’s what they’ve done.”
Whereas Conte has acknowledged giving multiple performance-enhancing drugs to disgraced Olympic star Marion Jones and other track and field athletes, he has denied knowledge of Bonds’ steroid use.
Hmmm.
There is no way one man (Bonds) should be brought down for the fallacies of an entire sport–and its fans.
A sport that has been devoid of integrity all of its existence.
From Game of Shadows co author, Lance Williams of the San Francisco Chronicle:
Bonds, perhaps the greatest hitter of his generation, was indicted Thursday on four counts of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice. He is accused of lying under oath in December 2003 when he told the grand jury that investigated the BALCO steroid ring that he had never used banned drugs.
There’s a lot in here I could dispute. It’s a bunch of pandering bs if you ask me. To call Barry perhaps the greatest hitter of his generation is more bs.
You’ll see this over and over and over. It used to be, Barry is arguably the best of all time. Then it was Barry was the best of his era, then generation…laughable. When it’s all said and done he won’t even be the best on his own teams. They’ll trot out Van Slyke and Kent. We all know how history works.
America will not be happy until a White man owns the home run record. It’s as simple as that.
His 2001 season is most likely the best offensive season in any sport at any time. How many homers would he have hit without all the walks? If he was that much better than his competition what the hell are all these people bitching about?
Bud Selig is popping a diamond cork right now. You can guarantee that. Who is drinking with him is really the question.
Any guesses?
Oh yeah, ARod agrees to outline of 10-yr/$275M deal with Yankees.
He earns millions more if he sets the career home run record.
Do you really think this is a coincidence?
Hell no! MLB is in damage control mode and will make sure their boy is trotted out as the next king.
Like Stephen A. just said, “When the leaves fall, so goes his game.”
Since Barry is going down, does this render the Mitchell report irrelevant?
November 16, 2007 at 4:31 am
If you throw enough shit up against the wall, something will stick! Since no RICO charges are involved, this fight will be about the government and MBL collusion in the 4 y.o. lynching of a African Man v.s Truth and Justice.
In the end Barry will lose, even while winning.
Hmmm! maybe that’s why knee-grows cow-tow, cause they know “the devil is a man and he walks to and for upon the land”
November 16, 2007 at 5:13 am
Well boys, here we go. They finally caught their BIG FISH! Today A&E aired the Hurricane Carter story. How ironic. Gee with all that’s going on in the world the gov. will stop at nothing to prove a point. Right or wrong. This is very troubling. I’ll be in DC tomorrow marching against unfair and selective prosecution. Hopefully our protest will help lead to change.
November 16, 2007 at 5:21 am
Now all those Mitchell Report names can seep slowly into the mainstream. Bonds will provide the cover fire.
Hell, I’m already having trouble remembering anyone else.
November 16, 2007 at 5:29 am
I share in the complete and utter disgust for this shit. SAS went off? Good for him, what did he say?
Busy folks, but never far away….
November 16, 2007 at 5:43 am
I didn’t live in the 60’s but some how I feel that we have been thrust back in time. The media has a field day blaming black people for everything. Do people of any race do anything wrong in this country? This is crazy. How much money has been spent? What about the hundreds of athletes who have done steroids before him? Are they being investigated? Why is he getting the blame for this? PERJURY? We have a president that lies to us all the time. This is BS!
November 16, 2007 at 5:45 am
Michelle
It’s a war.
November 16, 2007 at 5:54 am
Hey all-I admit I have no love for Barry, as a Dodger fan in particular and I thought the man was guilty, that he did take steroids. That said, I’m pretty sickened by the absolute witch hunt toward Barry. At least the man never backed down and addressed the court, the media, everything, while McGwire slipped back under the clear mantle of the 5th Amendment. Sammy claimed (perhaps with some justification, but I don’t know) that his English was sub-standard for addressing Congress. Giambi has admitted doing something….but really, especially, as others have mentioned, the terrible things happening in this world today, this is disgraceful. I’m white but I have a sick feeling in my stomach and to me it’s disgusting how the Worldwide Leader, the Gnats, Bud Selig, etc. have used Barry to sell shit and then they hang him up like this. As you said-and again, parallel to American society, we’re heading backwards toward the 19th century. Uggghhh.
November 16, 2007 at 9:01 am
Barry Bonds did this to himself. He’s in the same camp as Palmiero, McGwire, Sosa, et al. These losers couldn’t just stand up and say “Yeah, I took the stuff. I wanted to be better than I was, better than anyone else. The competition was creeping in, and I decided to get an advantage.” If just one of these jerks had stood up and said that, then there wouldn’t be this so-called “witch hunt” that you enablers keep harping on. Bonds has taken the most heat because he had the most arrogance — he decided to stay on the field and shove the evidence right back in the face of his pursuers. McGwire weaseld away after his career was over. Palmiero got discovered, then ran off and hid in retirement. But Bonds hung around and gave a big Eff-U to the establishment…. which is certainly his right to do. But if you’re going to play Barry Bad-ass and lie your way to a (sham of a) record, then you have to stand up and take your medicine when you finally get found out in the end. McGwire is off the radar forever; good. Palmiero, forever; good. Bonds? Adios, punk. For all his surly, “I gotta be me” stances with the media and the public, his practically roping off the clubhouse so no one could dare bother St. Barry, he finally gets a comeuppance that’s frankly long overdue. And again, I support his right to be an a-hole; more power and good luck to him. But you have to be willing to take the pill later when it all comes back around. I, for one, loved him in Pittsburgh. I thought it was great that a superstar finally told the media to screw off. But then the dude took dope just to hit the ball farther… how the hell can anyone support someone like that? And spare the “where’s the evidence? where’s the positive test evidence?” argument. Lance Armstrong got away with it for years, with far fewer resources at his disposal. barry had the millions to pay for whatever masking agents were out there, and with what we know now about baseball teams being notified at least 24 hours before “random” testing was going to take place, Barry also would have had time to set up false samples with other urine, etc. I don’t know the ins-and-outs of masking dope, but you don’t have to be Einstien to figure out that Barry’s money and the notification procedures made masking far easier done than said.
Scrub the record books. Adios McGwire, Palmiero, Sosa, and now Bonds. All hail Hammerin’ Hank.
November 16, 2007 at 9:10 am
Really Will Barry funded a multi-milion dollar fraudulent investigation against himself. Then proceeded to file fraudulent charges against himself, relying on nothing more than the blind support of the likes of yourself. Oblivious to reason, logic and or fact you support your government unconditionally, GREAT!
Now go play in traffic, it’s your patriotic duty!
Thanks for stopping by!
November 16, 2007 at 10:23 am
We have reached a new low! Not content with impeaching a president for lying about the non-crime of having a mutually consensual extramarital affair, the sin patrol has now indicted a professional baseball player for allegedly lying about taking performance enhancing drugs. If found guilty, will Barry get the same break that was extended to Lewis “Scooter” Libby?
Here is my prediction: no federal jury in the Bay Area will find Barry Bonds guilty of anything related to this waste of our tax dollars. This entire case has been a classic example of work avoidance on the part of the U.S. Attorneys. What a crock. How can anybody with sense enough to come in out of the rain support this witch hunt.
November 16, 2007 at 10:35 am
I just wanted to say Thank You to Mizzo and all the commenters (Will B. of course). Coming home after a too-long day and seeing the charges on ESPN, I’m very grateful I knew there would be at least one place that would see this shit for what it is: a fucking disgrace. It’s not a sad day for baseball, it’s a sad day to be an American. I’m not giving up though. I think there’s still a chance Barry will beat this. If he does, what else can they possibly throw at him? Keep on keeping on — and thank you all.
November 16, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Will they go after Palmiero? Nah. Sosa? Nah. The whole effort to “clean up” baseball is ridiculous hypocrisy. When were pro sports ever that clean? Who made sports dirty? (see also EIGHT MEN OUT). Being real, if roids and HGH were readily available and their effect on performance apparent in the “golden age” you know someone like Ty Cobb would have had bruises from all the needle marks all over his body.
The prosecutors appeared to have waited until 756 and the end of the series to do this. Smacks of collusion with MLB to me.
November 16, 2007 at 6:25 pm
and this nonsense is going down in California’s Justice Dept… the governor of Cali took ‘roids for years… this is a sporting matter trumped up to a massive smear campaign… Selig’s personal vendetta against Barry’s ‘arrogance’… the media loves to crush a black man… even if Barry is exonerated the damage is done — i’m in the UK and this stuff has already gone global. he’s a criminal now in the eyes of the careless consumer… the hypocritical ‘war on drugs’ continues, yet war, oil, and pharmaceuticals are big, ‘legit’ business… as dizzee rascal says, ‘excuse me, please, #%*# it!’…
November 16, 2007 at 6:56 pm
The only time a black man gets what he deserves is when he commits a crime.
November 16, 2007 at 8:13 pm
This is just complete bullsh!t….plain and simple. I’m still trying to figure out how society even benefitted from the investigation at all…seriously what the hell is this? This ish is just stupid beyond words. This fear of a black planet has hit full stride y’all….beware.
November 16, 2007 at 8:59 pm
Miranda,
I’m with you. White folks sense of entitlement has hit an all time high. What the hell about all the other people who have done steroids years before Barry came along? They make the rules and enforce them as they choose. In America your black ass means nothing. I don’t care who you are and how much you have, they will bring you down. Michael Jackson has left the country but Woody Allen, who molested and then marries his own step child, sits in at a Knicks game and they say nothing. I should be marching today but I couldn’t get off. I’m pissed, my blood pressure is high. I need to hear from Nat, Malcolm, Huey, Chuck D and Pac. Those no longer with us are quietly screaming I TOLD YOU SO. NOW DO SOMETHING BEFORE ALL OF OUR CHILDREN ARE IN JAIL. I’m paying taxes up in this bitch and I’m tired of this shit!!!
November 16, 2007 at 9:19 pm
Will B,
Yo dude. Have you never told a lie? Oh, let me answer that for you. HELL YEAH! Now shut the f… up!
November 16, 2007 at 9:24 pm
And if I hear it’s a sad day one more f…… time. Stop overreacting nobody f…… died!
November 16, 2007 at 9:34 pm
Paul never mind these fools. These roaches always pop out on this website when a black athlete gets in trouble.
You know how roaches are they always come out when food is left out.
And to these goroaches black meat is the best type of food.
November 16, 2007 at 9:36 pm
Sigh….. I said earlier (the Kevdog Special interview) that I read Starting Five for those kinds of discussions. But I don’t read them for this.
There are some sacred cows on TSF: cats for whom no one will want to hear anything. Bonds and Vick are just two of these. For instance, if I were to say that (Athlete X) allegedly lied to a grand jury despite having blanket government immunity for any crimes that he might have admitted to while testifying, u would be well within your rights to assume that Athlete X acted a fool.
But watch what happens. Watch what is said when Athlete X is replaced with Barry Bonds. Immediately that athlete, who if the allegations are true made a error in judgment so massive legal scholars will be discussing it until there are no books, is protected. Also this athlete will be believed to be completely innocent even if convicted, even if evidence is brought up to prove guilt that evidence will be dismissed as brought up by a bunch of white crackers who’ve got nothing to do with their time than *imagining Kevdog’s quote here* “hang niggers”.
oh and Michelle: There’s a difference between lying, and lying in front of a grand jury. I can lie to you right now. The sky is green. You know that’s a lie.
The trouble with lying to a grand jury is that they don’t KNOW what you’re saying isn’t true. For instance if I told a jury that KevDog slit a white man’s throat for being white, even if it didn’t happen, they’d have to be told it was a lie. Difference.
November 16, 2007 at 9:56 pm
The punishment doesn’t befit the crime Okori. It’s as simple as that.
November 16, 2007 at 9:57 pm
Look this dude is facing 30 years.
Please if that ain’t a hang a N@#@$@ moment like brotha Kevdog says then what is?
He11 did tim donaghy (sp?) face that much time?
November 16, 2007 at 10:01 pm
You spelled it right my brotha.
November 16, 2007 at 10:03 pm
Mizzo I wasn’t implying that it did. Merely that a crime WAS committed.
And origin 2 things: sentencing guidelines are ridiculous. and I don’t eactly remember off the top of my head what Donaghy was convicted of.
November 16, 2007 at 10:05 pm
to correct the record: I meant to say not “a crime WAS committed” but rather that “Perjury is a crime.”
November 16, 2007 at 10:07 pm
Okori….huuh?
Lied to a grand Jury? I suggest you read dwill’s piece on the whole saga before we can go further with this.
As for lying to a representative of an illegal ruling elite..only citizen sheeps, the avid racist in MLB, the media and the government see this as just.
Just a nother nigger to be lynched.
November 16, 2007 at 10:07 pm
What’s your point Okori?
November 16, 2007 at 10:09 pm
Yo Okori,
I got to come to Michelle’s defense. I’m sure she knows the damn difference. The question is do you? In every court case someone lies. The courts would be swamped if they pursued every perjury case so why the selective prosecution? Or shall I say persecution! Black folks have been framed and overly prosecuted for years. Where have you been BOY? Oh and by the way it’s been the government doing it. You know the people who are supposed to enforce the law HONESTLY! Oh, but I forgot they don’t lie though. They just string up niggas!
November 16, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Mizzo here’s my point in a nutshell: I believe Barry Bonds to be the victim of a witchhunt that centers entirely around him, for reasons largely due to race. And I hope that when he gets his day in court we find out the truth. But no one truly knows yet what that truth is.
And Sankofa: Can i get a link for DWill’s piece? And… my baby brother is an FBI agent. He’s a good kid. Majored in Criminology at U of M and graduated with me when I got my MSW. But he also took an oath to uphold the law, and follow the evidence wherever it led him. That’s all i can ask of anyone.
November 16, 2007 at 10:20 pm
Okori,
Do you really beleive what you just said? I f you do bro you are very naive. FBI agents lie just like everyone else.
November 16, 2007 at 10:23 pm
Miz,
Since many of the players in the 4 major sports are minorities, I’d like to know how many minorities have a HOF vote? Miz do you know?
November 16, 2007 at 10:24 pm
he’s my BROTHER paul. Are you really asking me this question?
November 16, 2007 at 10:25 pm
I would guestimate and say less than ten percent of the total pool of voters are minorities.
November 16, 2007 at 10:26 pm
Okari…………..read up on the hsitory of the FBI.
Matter a fact just read up on the 60s and what the FBI was doing.
That sh#$ wasn’t holding up the law that was straight up war.
November 16, 2007 at 10:29 pm
hey look Origin I know. trust me. there were many conversations between me and my baby brother when he said he wanted to work for the FBI about what that agency has done in the past. But I happen to think that my Brother is pretty honest.
November 16, 2007 at 10:39 pm
okori here’s the link
http://dwil.wordpress.com/the-real-dope-on-barry-bonds-and-those-who-would-pursue-him-part-1/
Also the love for your brother is not and should not be questioned. The love that your brother have for the oath takers is what’s being questioned.
If you have never ever heard seen or experienced any negative dealings with the modern slave catchers, I urge you to see this movie called the glass shiled. It talks about the nievity of a rookie police officer who got slammed up against the wall of the thick blue line of racism and imperial defenders.
Also go online and research the association of Black police officers : http://www.blackpolice.org/
I have no love for the slave catchers, but these cats have been in the news for years fighting overt, out and out racism with in Po Po across America Inc.
Maybe your brother hasn’t completly sold out yet, but he is aware of things right now. The question of him, you and us, is who is your god?
November 16, 2007 at 10:41 pm
For all those who want to wipe the records of Bonds off the books:
You do realize that would affect the career stats of hundreds of players, not to mention the outcomes of thousands of games, as well the entire landscape of the game itself. You do know that, right?
November 16, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Des,
Good point!
November 16, 2007 at 10:46 pm
They could care less Des..righteous hypocrisy.
November 16, 2007 at 10:54 pm
I’m texting my baby brother right now Sankofa. He’s out in the field. Working on a case involving Child Porn.
November 16, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Also I want to state that this isn’t really a surprise. Minorities have always been the face of drug use in society and in sports.
Heres a questions who were the faces of coke use in the NBA, NFL and MLB during the 70s and 80s?
Last if you follow history you would know that illegalization of opium had to do with the chinese use even though whites used it. Same with illegalization of coke (blacks) and weed (black and mexicans).
The sticking point and the reason that these drugs became illegal were because minorites used them. Even though whites were using them just as long as the minorities if not longer.
November 16, 2007 at 11:18 pm
Drugs were made illegal because minorities used them?
November 16, 2007 at 11:22 pm
Origin,
I know professional white cats that do coke on the regular. But they go nuts if a young black athlete smokes some weed. What the hell do they think is going on, on every major college campus? Smoking, under age drinking and pill popping. It’s ok if white kids do it though. No jail time or ruined reputations. OH no! Not my Johnny. Hell yeah, your Johnny is doing it to!
November 16, 2007 at 11:26 pm
JKG read this it is the history of drug laws………..http://www.washingtoninformer.com/ARWaronDrugs2005Dec22.html
After you see that then you will understand.
Yes Paul I see the same thing in corporate america.
November 16, 2007 at 11:27 pm
So your saying that since I’m a white guy it’s OK for me to do drugs. I won’t get arrested or lose my job if I fail a drug test.
November 16, 2007 at 11:28 pm
JKG are you an imbecile? You know exactly what we speak of here.
November 16, 2007 at 11:31 pm
We know white people who do drugs. Go down to the nearest college campus near you and you will find young white kids breaking the law. It’s friday, you will find a lot of them breaking the law. Why black people are profiled and prosecuted while many white people get away with it is something I can’t answer. HELLO what planet are you on JKG?
November 16, 2007 at 11:33 pm
How many times did Andy Reid’s sons break the law before they went to jail? One of them pulled a gun on someone and had drugs and still didn’t go to jail. If I did that shit I would have gone to jail that day and would still be in jail.
November 16, 2007 at 11:34 pm
Origin, may I suggest something brother?
A good 80% of the population on the planet are not of European stock. Amongst peoples the female is 60% of the gender population.
There are more Africans On the Indian sub-continent than in Brazil and other South American countries. If you ever see any old photos of cambodian laotians, Philapinos or vietnamese up in the hills or in the back country, they are darker and more Africoid than some in America Inc.
I am not going to mention the South Pacific region or Africa herself. In America Inc. and in Canuckustan, the statistics of Africoid to Caucasoid are greater than they promote.
You have they Carlos Delgados and the Alex Rodrigues who are counted as Hispanic instead of Africoid….remeber only a drop will do.
I am saying this because oftern the language we use plays into the hands of the White Supremist, who banks on us perpetrating the psychological confusion they put us in.
The term minority, psychologically invokes a feeling of helplesness in the face of great odds. Even the strongest of us sometimes fall prey to the language of victimization.
I’m not dogging you my brother, but I tend to pay attention to things some others often don’t.
Untill we can get to that place of spiritual strength, as exhibited by Malik Al Shabazz and Martin King, perhaps we need to practice reverse psychology.
November 16, 2007 at 11:38 pm
Yes I know, I’m just repeating a few blanket statements made by others.
“It’s ok if white kids do it though. No jail time or ruined reputations.”
“The sticking point and the reason that these drugs became illegal were because minorities used them.”: Just because some wrote an article expressing there opinion doesn’t mean it’s true. If you want to discuss how an unfairly disproportionate number of minorities are arrested then I will agree with you. But to say that drugs were made illegal strictly to convict minorities then let’s discuss what it does to people’s lives when they get addicted. Do you know of anyone that has ruined there life with drugs?
November 16, 2007 at 11:40 pm
Origin,
Are we sure that the FBI’s COINTELPRO hasn’t resurrected itself (or if it ever really went away)?? Seriously….look at the completely twisted set of circumstances surrounding all these crazy cases….Bonds, Vick, T.I., hell, even OJ (and why again did the FBI know in advance about the big “sting” in vegas??)….this ish is crazy. Hell, COINTELPRO is alive and well, re-vamped for the 21st century. Two legit avenues that are the fast track for a kid in the hood to strike it rich real quick….sports and hip hop…(in my best Florida Evans voice)..DAMN DAMN DAMN!
November 16, 2007 at 11:42 pm
Paul,
You are correct, white kids in college do drugs, I believe you. I however have a job and take drug tests fairly often and would lose that job if I were to fail.
November 16, 2007 at 11:43 pm
JKG,
Does it upset you when crimes are committed by whites , the victims are black. There has been a mountain of evidence presented to a jury that also happens to be white but the person is aquitted?
November 16, 2007 at 11:47 pm
JKG,
Why do whites get so angry at these guys? RACISM! WTF are y’all mad at. Black folks are the people who should be outraged. White people have done all kinds of shit to us that has gone uncompensated and unpunished. Who the hell do you think you are?
November 16, 2007 at 11:50 pm
It pisses me off when people break the law and get away with it. Like those DJ in Sacramento who joked about dying from water intoxication while running a hold your wee for a Wii contest. They said they where doing their job and that management should have research it before it started.
But just to clarify my position on Barry Bonds. It doesn’t serve any justice in my mind to go after Barry or any of the players. The MLB management created and environment condoning the use of steroids by turning a blind-eye thus saying “we’re not going to enforce this so go ahead”. They should be indicted and in a just world they would. That pisses me off.
November 16, 2007 at 11:56 pm
I’m not angry, just posting comments. To answer your question:
Who the hell do you think you are? A white guy who gets busted when he does something wrong. I seemed to have missed out of the privileged life you speak of.
I am disgusted with the Barry Bonds witch-hunt, though.
November 17, 2007 at 12:06 am
Damn. Could you guys do me a favor and not type so fast?
November 17, 2007 at 12:07 am
Sorry JKG that article is fact. Even in college a white college mind you these facts were presented to me in a class that dealt with the history of drug use. So I am sorry if you were offended by the truth.
Also the history channel also spoke of these facts on the history or drug use.
Brotha sankofa………..I am fully aware of african history and its decendants in south america, asia and the middle east.
Funny thing is brotha how the media always talks about where are all the black athletes in baseball. Im like they are still there………like black latins ain’t black.
I guess only blacks from america and africa are black to the media.
November 17, 2007 at 12:13 am
JKG
Let’s take marijuana for instance.
Since America Inc. became a Corporation hemp was the miracle plant on the planet. Multipurpose, multi-nutritious, in the days of the pilgrims, it was a crime not to plant Hemp. Hemp was also a currency of trade.
In the 40’s, William Randolf Hurst owned large tracks of forests in America Inc. and wanted to move away from the safe and popular usage of hemp as a source of paper. In collusion with the government, they took the name of an obscure Mexican narcotic – marijuana, created a propaganda program (this is your brain on drugs), marijuana is the devils weed, etc, then pinned that name on Hemp.
Have you ever heard of the San Jose Mercury article of how the CIA flooded South Central LA with crack to bolster their Contra-Iran affair?. George Bush Sr. was the main wheel in that genocide.
I can delve deeper into my lab, but I am taken care of my son, so this is just a primer
November 17, 2007 at 12:15 am
Sankofa here’s what my brother said.
“Firstly I thank all of you for having this conversation. Secondly I hope you can understand that my older brother isn’t going to be mentioning my name, the field office I work out of, or what specific task forces I work with.
Secondly to the guy who called himself Sankofa: Sir I’m an atheist. My god is my older brother. If I thought I did something to disappoint him it would kill me. So I always am very careful to investigate the people I work with, and fight racism when it comes to my other field agents. But I would hope you understand that while I’m a guy trying to protect our brothers, including my older brother, I am not a guy to mess with. If you run afoul of the laws I have sworn to protect I’ll be very upset. Black, White, or otherwise.”
That’s what he said.
November 17, 2007 at 12:20 am
And yes sista miranda you are so right. I need to give my mom a call…..being a child of the 60s I would like to hear her input on this event.
I spoke with sista sportsdiva about conversations I have had with my mom about OJ and MJ.
November 17, 2007 at 12:22 am
JKG,
You are kidding me right? Did you answer my question about Andy Reid’s sons? Or whats going on at UCLA, USC, and every other college campus tonight? Also, I’m about to get fired up in here. How the hell is O.J. the poster boy for getting away with shit? HELLO CRACKERS YES I SAID IT. White people have been killing black people and have gotten away with it for years. Killing black little girls. White jury’s let them go and futher more there was reasonable doubt in the OJ case
LIKE 1 hr to slice up 2 people get home change and catch a plane
His lawyers proved the bloody sock was planted by the pd
VIctims had defense wounds but OJ did not have 1 scratch
ALL in La were the police had a reputation for planting evidence and beating on black people.
So stop saying the black jury let him go!
Were is the blood there should be more blood.
The motive was riduculous
November 17, 2007 at 12:23 am
Ahhh yes sankofa you mean Rick Ross and the government.
Yeap heard of that………….ha how much time did North do……what about 30 days in jail???
November 17, 2007 at 12:25 am
Kidding you about what?
November 17, 2007 at 12:29 am
JKG,
Everything you say. Answer my questions. Then we will know what you are really about. You wanna talk then lets talk. Thats what we do here.
November 17, 2007 at 12:34 am
I think I have answered most questions addressed to me aside from Andy Reid and family. So, I believe Andy Reid is a POS father who raised two sons who are drug addicts and will probably spend a lot of time in jail and never amount to anything.
Isn’t this thread suppose to be about Barry Bonds?
November 17, 2007 at 12:41 am
JKG,
Are you listening. We are talking about the difference between white prosecution and black prosecution.
Andy Reid’s sons have been in trouble numerous times before jail time was ever mentioned. One pulled a gun on someone he hit with his car while high on heroine. Now if he was black he would have immediatey been taken to jail and have the book thrown at him.
Many athletes have done steroids long before Barry Bonds. The government knew this. Lyle A. even did a public service anouncement about the shit. So why do all the people being indicted have black faces? And why are so many white people so angry when they aren’t angry about any one else?
November 17, 2007 at 12:43 am
No JKG
The thread is about how the government continues to lynch African sports figures and use the media and citizen sheep like yourself to legitamize it.
There is a place for weak tired argument and it’s not here.
Origin
I believe Rick Ross is still in Jail and refuse to speak after his partner in crime was executed by LA’s worst.
Also GMP can attest - not calling you out dude- what the army did in South East Asia during the Vietnam invasion and the first Iraqi invasion.
November 17, 2007 at 12:45 am
Sankofa,
Thank you. I’m trying to tell this fool what time it is and he just isn’t getting it.
November 17, 2007 at 12:56 am
I agree that a disproportionate number of blacks are indicted, prosecuted and jailed. I don’t think it is fair. Racism does exist, in the judicial system the media and beyond. I’m a sorry that it does, I wish it didn’t.
But now its time for me to go,
The autumn moon lights my way.
For now I smell the rain,
And with it pain.
November 17, 2007 at 1:06 am
HELL NO!
Say it isn’t so. I just read Dwil’s article on this Barry Bonds shit. They flipped you too Dwil. First of all the only reason people mention Bonds and Vick in the same breath is because they have both been lynched in the media. Not because their cases are similar. Where is the mention of that in your article. You done flipped the script bro. I guess we can all be brought and sold. Very disappointed!
November 17, 2007 at 1:33 am
JKG,
What? Yo dude I’ll pray for you. Are you sure your not on some shit?
November 17, 2007 at 1:55 am
Paul that last line is from a song.
November 17, 2007 at 2:05 am
What song is that?
November 17, 2007 at 2:19 am
It was “Ramble On”. wrong song, right band
November 17, 2007 at 2:20 am
I never heard of that song. I don’t listen to that group.
November 17, 2007 at 2:22 am
How about a variation?
Remember the pain of Barry Bonds’ steroid era blame
It keeps you sane
Until we create our own Hall of Fame
November 17, 2007 at 2:24 am
Led Zeppelin. I think “The Immigrant Song”
November 17, 2007 at 2:44 am
Mizzo,
Like that rhyme but how about this one:
If you live in America and your ass is black
you could catch a 30yr case like Barry as if he was selling kilos of crack
Mike was fighting mans best friend
now the MSM wants his career to end
Oj got away with murder, that’s what they all said
but what would you do if your kids were upsatirs and you ex was given some dude h…
he’s facing life once again cause the racist mother f…… are gonna make sure he pays for his first sin
November 17, 2007 at 3:09 am
Funny ish Paul.
J.A. stepped up today and represented on ATH in saying don’t just go after Bonds, go after errrrrbody.
Good work J.A.
November 17, 2007 at 3:22 am
Bonds is not going to jail whatsoever and go on ESPN for the ‘BLACK CULTURE COMMENTS’. There needs to be a conversation on performance enhancing drugs and their benefits and risks. You can to GNC or any other sports store and find those drugs that people are ranting about. And the race issue will always be a part of this.
November 17, 2007 at 3:25 am
Lord have mercy…..I’ve read about 5 commentaries today that are all singing the same lame tune…”Barry needs to ask for forgiveness”…… it never ceases to amaze me…this sense of parental entitlement….. geez…..this sh!t is tiring.
Y’all better watch your diets and exercise regularly…because the last thing we need is more of us reading and watching these lynchings and getting hypertension and then having to get addicted to the “legal” narcotics from Merck and Eli Lilly that probably don’t do anything but phuck you up further.
November 17, 2007 at 3:27 am
Eric Daniels,
Your right. Just call a spade a spade. Why are white people answering every poll wanting Barry hung? Other players have done this but every headline says Barry is a lier and a cheat. What about everyone else? It’s bs and I’m tired of saying it. Black people weren’t the first to do steroids any more then they were the first to fight dogs. And yet it seems we take the blame for everything.
November 17, 2007 at 3:30 am
Miranda,
LoL, that’s funny sis. We gotta laugh to keep from crying or choking the shit out of someone.
November 17, 2007 at 4:52 am
I wonder about this forgiveness thing. Cause when people go to the “black leaders” and seek forgiveness white folks find it comical. Yet the seem to want Bonds to do the same thing? Strange
November 17, 2007 at 5:00 am
If Bonds admits to anything alleged, it validates their rage.
November 17, 2007 at 5:33 am
I received an email about someone her misrepresenting my Barry Bond arti - that would be you, “Paul.”
Your comment:
HELL NO!
Say it isn’t so. I just read Dwil’s article on this Barry Bonds shit. They flipped you too Dwil. First of all the only reason people mention Bonds and Vick in the same breath is because they have both been lynched in the media. Not because their cases are similar. Where is the mention of that in your article. You done flipped the script bro. I guess we can all be brought and sold. Very disappointed!
I addressed three different writers whose articles I read who compared the Bonds and Vick cases - plus some shit Terrence Moore said.
What I wrote is that the cases are completely different and can only be compared in the fact that the Bonds case will once again illustrated that there are two distinctly different Americas - a black America and a white America. So, I went beyond media lynchings because that was the point being made throughout the article and took it to the entire country.
Now, why you chose to misrepresent me is something I can’t address because I don’t know you. What I do know, though, is that you either completely misread what I wrote, have a real problem with reading comprehension, or want to stir some shit for no good reason.
I see why you didn’t leave this comment at my site - you would have been busted for for failing to make any sense and acting like an agent provatateur.
November 17, 2007 at 5:39 am
Paul wrote:
“Your right. Just call a spade a spade. Why are white people answering every poll wanting Barry hung? Other players have done this but every headline says Barry is a lier and a cheat. What about everyone else? It’s bs and I’m tired of saying it. Black people weren’t the first to do steroids any more then they were the first to fight dogs. And yet it seems we take the blame for everything.”
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Paul, you’re such an idiot. First of all, name any caucasian celebrity who is as known a name as Michael Vick, who is also known to support dog fights and kill dogs in copious amounts on their property. Second, name a caucasian baseball player who was a steroid abuser, who LIED to a grand jury, and who is even remotely as famous as Barry Bonds. We’ll all be waiting with feverous anticipation. Your failure to answer these questions will expose you for the racist fraud you are. What morons like you refuse to see is that Bonds and Vick are getting tagged because they are high profile athletes, and somebody needs to be made an example of. If any whities of comparable or greater stature were as stupid as Vick and Bonds (in Bonds’s case, stupid enough to lie to a grand jury), then they’d be getting nailed too.
Your manifest racism blinds you to the truth buddy.
November 17, 2007 at 6:03 am
So you truly feel Barry should take the blame for the entire steroids era?
November 17, 2007 at 6:35 am
People talk about putting an asterisk here and one here, if that’s the case. They need to go all the way back to the Black Sox scandal for starters, give the Reds who beat the Sox an asterisk, then you can go to the “colorless era” so nothing Ruth, Cobb or anyone else did would count.
Baseball, and it’s owners have been the main beneficiaries of this era. Stadiums have been built to accommodate home runs; Citizens Bank Park in Philadelphia was opened a year after the Phillies signed Jim Thome and they raved about how well Thome would hit in that park. The fans have returned in record numbers because “chicks dig the long ball”. Selig knew exactly what was going on from McGwire and Sosa to Rick Ankiel and Paul Byrd.
I remember the creatine issue w/McGwire in the middle of the home run chase, some one questioned what was in the bottle and he said that it was creatine and only creatine any other questions were basically ignored and the reporter was dismissed as a troublemaker, just as fast as it came out it was swept under the rug.
The sick part of it all is that people actually want to see Bonds do time for the Grand Jury allegations, from what I understand perjury is a hard thing to prove the obstruction of justice charge is something that I don’t think he will get time for, I just don’t see that happening.
I’ve never seen the feelings of the public manipulated by the media like this for one individual and that’s one of the reasons why we’re discussing this today. All things being equal Rick Ankiel shoulda been shredded in the media for testing positive for whatever after everyone was so caught up in his heroics…nope he gets a pass and moves on with his life…pure B.S. man.
November 17, 2007 at 8:03 am
JOE,
First of all who the fuck are you calling an idot. Second of all in racist america who the hell do you think you are getting all upset because someone may have told a lie? You fucking crackers lie all the time. Many white players in many sports have done steroids from wrestling to football long before Barry came along so you justify the anger. When you fucking assholes hunt and treat animals with cruelty every fucking day and you want to talk about Mike Vick? Take your stupid bitch ass on out of here.
November 17, 2007 at 8:13 am
Dwil,
My bad . Miranda already set me straight on that. I’ve read all your other articles on Vick and Bonds which were very hard hitting. Please accept my apologies bro. Many black journalist are far too easy on the MSM. Sorry to lump you in that group. I guess I’m a little paranoid with all that’s happening in the media right now. Nice to see on TSF again bro even if it is just to set me straight.
November 17, 2007 at 8:18 am
Joe,
Lets say I buy your argument that the government has tagged Vick and Bonds because they are high profile. Then how do you explain the anger among whites in public towards these two men?
November 17, 2007 at 8:26 am
What I see is how racist America is Joe. Do you?When Rodney King was beat the shit out of and the white cops walked with video evidence were you upset about that?Was white America answering polls saying the cops should be thrown in jail or even fired? NO! Keep in mind they yelled racial slurs as they were beating him. What I saw were whites on tv making excuses for the cpos saying shit like we didn’t see what happened before the tape began. When you can justify this behavior by your race then we can talk.
November 17, 2007 at 8:35 am
Well I sure missed a lot. The march was a success. Many came out and braved the cold to show support for the Jena 6 and other cases like Jena. I proudly sported my MV VT jersey. I see the Barry Bonds saga has begun. Many more marches will have to take place before we see any progress. We have our work cut out for us.
November 17, 2007 at 9:38 am
I appreciate all yo support. I’ll try not to kill any baby mama’s 2nite.
November 17, 2007 at 9:53 am
And here I thought I could read an interesting website, leave an opinion, and have someone respond intelligently…. what was I thinking?
This guy ‘paul’ seems intent on just getting outraged with anyone who disagrees with his point of view. Intelligent people can have differing opinions, bro. It seems a lot of posters on this site head straight for the racial side of an argument, basing their opinions on the supposition that if something happened before then it follows that it must be happening again. That seems a little immature.
I wrote a post about Bonds and I don’t think I mentioned his skin color once. It’s a baseball issue; and Bonds can take McGwire, Ankiel, Sosa, Palmiero, et al and head off into the sunset with all of them. But Bonds isn’t being prosecuted because he’s a black baseball player. He’s being prosecuted because he lied to a grand jury. Someone on here posted earlier that “everybody lies in court;” well, if that’s so, then all those liars should be prosecuted. I don’t think McGwire lied to a jury, and I don’t think he was under oath in that congressional hearing. Giambi didn’t lie to the grand jury, although he didn’t come completely clean when the media asked him about his testimony. It may be sleazy to lie, but it’s only a crime when you lie under oath.
It seems to me some people here want to see race in every issue, and I guess if you’re intent on seeing something, you’ll see it. That’s too bad. That habit of painting every white person with the same brush is exactly the kind of racist habit that I think most posters on here accuse white people of doing. That’s sad, because it gets in the way of the discussion. Some of us just want baseball to clean itself up, as naive as that wish might seem. I’ll take a Ryan Howard over a thousand Jason Giambis any day. I’d rather see a big fat guy smacking homers than watch a hulk like Giambi get rich from shooting dope.
And like it or not, Bonds is a lying, doping sack of crap. Truth is a heck of a lot more important than records or legacy. Why lie if you’re sure that what you’re doing is legitimate? So he’s not only a liar, he’s also a coward. People who support can go ahead and stand behind him, but that Stepford-like loyalty is idiotic. It’s no different than trying to equate Vick’s dog fighting with hunting. It seems people on this site just see a black athlete and say “Damn, we better circle the wagons, even if the guy is into some despicable shit.” Do you really think drowning or electrocuting a dog — DROWNING and ELECTROCUTING!! — is the same as shooting a deer or a turkey with a bullet to the brain? That’s almost laughable. Again, it just seems like people on this site see an issue from one direction, and that’s the end of their thinking on the matter. That’s as irresponsible as it gets.
November 17, 2007 at 10:06 am
Will ever since you got here I’ve been intent on seeing you hit by a bus, but as we can see that hasn’t happened. So i guess wanting to see something doesn’t make it true.
Will I don’t need lectures on responsibility from slave owners, rapists, and pillagers. Thanks though!
November 17, 2007 at 10:24 am
So your answer to white racism is to throw your own brand right back at someone? Good luck with that. Let me know how it works out for you….
November 17, 2007 at 10:30 am
I’m not interested in the truth about whether Barry Bonds knowingly used steroids or not. I don’t care if Bill Clinton inhaled or not although I believe he did. We all did. It was alright too. Indicting Barry Bonds for allegedly lying about whether or not he knowingly used steroids is simply work avoidance. There are much more important issues to be addressed in what little is left of the American Republic.
Why are nickel-ninety-eight politicians and their handmaidens, government prosecutors, investigating baseball players for allegedly using performing enhancing drugs? The owners and lords of baseballdom wouldn’t recognize the word “integrity” if it was written out in boxcar size letters.
November 17, 2007 at 10:32 am
I’m not interested in the truth about whether Barry Bonds knowingly used steroids or not. I don’t care if Bill Clinton inhaled or not although I believe he did. We all did. It was alright too. Indicting Barry Bonds for allegedly lying about whether or not he knowingly used steroids is simply work avoidance. There are much more important issues to be addressed in what little is left of the American Republic.
Why are nickel-ninety-eight politicians and their handmaidens, government prosecutors, investigating baseball players for allegedly using performing enhancing drugs? The owners and lords of baseballdom wouldn’t recognize the word “integrity” if it was written out in boxcar size letters.
BTW, Michael Vick and Barry Bonds, IMHO, are two entirely separate issues. I’ll defend Barry day and night but Vick’s behavior was appallingly stupid.
November 17, 2007 at 10:46 am
Sure, there are more important issues, but a local DA isn’t supposed to forego his job so he can tackle more significant national issues. If you’re a San Fran DA and you get a case, you prosecute that case. BALCO was prosecuted because it was dirty dealing, and Bonds was a client. People care about the atmosphere surrounding their favorite sports, and baseball fans don’t like the idea of steroids fueling the players. Steroids are illegal. Steroid cases have to be prosecuted. Whether people like it or not, baseball occupies a cultural place that is above all other sports. Anything that sullies baseball is going to get a brighter light shined on it.
I agree that baseball owners have no claim at all to any integrity. I think we would all agree on that. It’s unfortunate that baseball lovers have to sleep at night knowing the kind of people who run the sport. I’m a Yankee fan. I’ve been living with the Steinbrenners for over thirty years. Alas, I also had to live through the McGwire-Sosa Era. Hopefully Bonds will be the last major superstar who besmirches the game, although I doubt it.
November 17, 2007 at 10:55 am
Will B and PTcruiser,
The problem with your argument is white people in gereral are not held to the same standard as black people in this country. If you choose not to see that in Paul’s post then that is your problem. I wasn’t aware that hunters were sharp shooters that shoot dear and turkey in the head. Let me speak intelligently to you. That’s a bunch of crap. Didn’t the vice president shoot someone by mistake when hunting? Most hunters are not sharp shooters. Animals are shot and not always killed are left to suffer and their babies may be orphaned. Many hunters use bow and arrows and that is even worse. So don’t come on this site bashing people unless you choose to see the truth. Black people are tired of the hatred spouted at black athletes. The outrage is ridiculous. Did Barry or Mike kill your relative or something. There is poll after poll bashing him and wanting his records banished from the books. Are you two pissed at the fact that Ty Cobb was a racist or the fact that people of color couldn’t even play in the majors before 1947. I doubt it and neither are you white peers. Mike stands to lose millions of dollars and his job. Does the punishment fit the crime. I’ve just marched in the cold today protesting selective prosecution.
I’m sorry if I don’t give a shit about someone lying to a grand jury. This country has lied and mistreated blacks for years and people on this site are tired of it. So don’t come on this site trying to divide and conquer cause it won’t work here.
November 17, 2007 at 11:07 am
Taking any drugs is illeagal so a lot of people need to be in jail. The government lies all the time so talk that mess to someone else. Hypocrits.
I know the Vick and Bonds cases are different. It’s the media overkill that links them. Why aren’t you white americans pissed at the fact that Lindsey lohan is a repeat drunk driver and drug abuser that only serves 84 min. in jail. She’s going to kill someone. I guess that’s less of a crime then what Barry and Mike did. Why isn’t the government making an example out of her. Why aren’t people screaming for her head and her movies to be boycotted? Just remember slavery was legal once in this country so don’t talk to me about the laws your peeps choose to make and only enforce on a few.
November 17, 2007 at 11:10 am
I meant deer. I can spell but I can’t type.
November 17, 2007 at 11:15 am
Ty Cobb — the old stand-by argument. From all accounts he was a despicable person off the field, and a hard-ass on it. But what does being a racist have to do with being a ball player? If Ty Cobb cheated on the field, then he shouldn’t be in the HOF, just as someone like Gaylord Perry shouldn’t be. But I’m sure baseball is full of racists, then and now, just as I’m sure there are racists of all colors. If a guy is a racist, or a pedophile, or a dog-killer, or a tax cheat, or an adulterer….. whoop-de-doo. Barry Bonds CHEATED, and then he lied about it. It just so happens that he lied to a jury. Baseball hasn’t suspended him, nor has it done anything to his records. Barry’s trouble is with the law, and that has nothing to do with Ty Cobb.
Vick is the same. He broke a law. You can keep trying to equate hunting with dog fighting all you want, but when you construct an arena and train domesticated animals to do nothing but tear each other apart, for the entertainment of yourself and others, then you have a real problem. If someone caught hunters putting two deer in a ring and forcing them to fight, that would be just as foul and intolerable. Man has been hunting animals since man realized meat tastes good. But being entertained by the spectacle of two animals ripping at each other’s throats, that’s a learned and sickening habit. Any culture that values deliberate cruelty for the sake of entertainment is a culture with a problem.
And if Vick stands to lose millions, then that’s his fault. He knew he was breaking the law, and he knew that the whole time he was involved in it. He’s not a victim; he’s stupid.
And I don’t hate Vick or Bonds. I’m indifferent to either one. My hatred is reserved for McGwire and his “I’m a positive person” crap; that cannot be topped. I was just reading websites about the Bonds thing and found this one. It sounded like there was some interesting discussion going on. I was just a little surprised that so many people here choose to view it all through a racial lens. Not everyone feels that way.
November 17, 2007 at 11:36 am
Will b
Once again. Mark McGwire is not being crucified in the media. A lie is a lie don’t give me the grands jury crap. When Big Mac was approaching Roger’s record could you and everyone else not see he was on roids? Of course they did but white skin gets you a big fat pass. Don’t tell me about these so called fans either. Many of them are so digusting you can’t even take your kids to a game. Oh thats right you and yours make the rules. Since I happen to like deer that is irrelavant to you. Allowing drunk white men to get out their guns and chase defenseless animals for sport is ok to you. So be it. I think it’s sick. What about the fox hunt in England are you appalled by that? Or how about the fact that their are animals going exstinct because too much hunting. Then sins of those who throw stones far exceed anything that Mike or Barry have done. For the 80th time this is about the rage of whites towards them not whether or not what was done was wrong. Why doesn’t it bother you that Ty Cobb was racist? Do you know what harassment black players were subject to. He was part of that. Would you like to go to your job and be harrassed by your coworker while trying to perform your job? Was that not a crime? OH, I forgot it’s only a crime if white people say so. Now get the f… on out of here and talk that crap elsewhere. Why didn’t you address the Linsey L. question?Does repeated drunk driving not piss you off?AFTER ALL IT’S AGAINST THE LAW!!!
November 17, 2007 at 11:47 am
Before you misunderstand my point about Cobb. His views carried on and when black players came into the league they delt with the same type of hatred.
November 17, 2007 at 12:29 pm
Michelle,
I am not now nor have I ever been a white American. Ask Temple 3. Barry and Vick are not, IMHO, linked except in the minds of many white Americans and too many black folks who want to defend Michael Vick. Yes, the coverage of Vick and the idiots chanting outside the courthouse and the MSM media hypocrites calling for blood was, to put it mildly, sickening.
Vick, however, needs a brain transplant if he thought he could be involved in dogfighting and nobody, but nobody, wouldn’t find out about it.
November 17, 2007 at 1:13 pm
Origin
Last if you follow history you would know that illegalization of opium had to do with the chinese use even though whites used it. Same with illegalization of coke (blacks) and weed (black and mexicans).
Illegalization of those drugs had to do with the land barons who own the farm land where tobacco is grown. Legalized marijuana means prolly no one buys a tobacco ciggie ever again, EVER. Who is one of the biggest supporter of those anti-drug campaigns and ads you see on TV? The tobacco industry folks. Fact.
November 17, 2007 at 7:03 pm
ok…. hostility gets no one anywhere. For christ’s sake.
But I do wonder something. Why is everyone so hostile?
Michelle Will B is right. The Hall of Fame isn’t, and shouldn’t be, based on what a person did off the field. If it was there would be a whole bunch of people of BOTH races would be out. And Will B Michelle is right. If you’re white you do get a fair pass. Explain to me how it is Roger Clemens doesn’t get brought up ever as a steroid user.
November 17, 2007 at 7:10 pm
ptcruiser,
I have many times said what Mike did was stupid and disgusting. I personally love animals and was very hurt, angry and sad about what he did. The problem is the hatred directed at Mike and Barry.We all have to live here and I must say I’m worried. If some whites show a lack of respect for people of color then we are in trouble. Again this week nooses were found at another University. I don’t see white people on tv saying they are appalled by this. When interviewed I’ve only heard them defend the joke theory. Now remember no person or organization paid for slavery. Years of terrorism that America has not witnessed today. Rape, lynching, kidnapping. So I’m sorry if people get livid over Barry and Mike but don’t care about someone hanging a noose. A noose represents countless years of horror dished out by the ancestors of the same media folks that lead the lynch mob. It’s time for our media folks to choose sides cause this mess is getting out of hand. White america is not nor have they ever been sensitive to the plight of black people. We have been laughed at and tortured. Our men have in years past been made a mockery of. And have been the whipping boy for white men for years it continues today. I’m not going to stand for it and I’m not supporting any middle of the road media on this subject by black writers. If they are not outraged and angry then they can sell that bs to white readers. Thats why I came to TSF in the first place. To get truth and honesty not house nigg.. lip service.
Black people are under attack, I have 20/20 vision and can see it. Those of you who want to turn a blind eye to whats being done, knock yourself out.
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!
November 17, 2007 at 7:27 pm
I’m white and I’m upset and outraged by nooses displayed in public and blacks being railroaded.
Going after one player in the whole steriod issue is wrong.
However, I don’t feel that being white I was ever given a freepass. Life is unfair in more ways than one. I do understand that I have been treated with nore respect than blacks. I sickens me when people are mistreated and black people in America are often mistreated.
November 17, 2007 at 7:40 pm
JKG,
When I speak I am never talking about all whites. One of my favorite writers is Dave Zirin and he happens to be white. What you must see is the lack of sympathy in this country towards people of color. Like Paul said earlier I pay taxes here. I want respect and a fair playing field. The media talks about honesty. They aren’t honest. As far as I am concerned they had a hand in Anna Nicole’s death. The women was mourning the death of her son and all they cared about was who her child’s father was and harassed her day and night. To sell magazines and get ratings. That tell you the messed up mentality of white America is. They are obsessed with these young white women and the no integrity media will stop at nothing to get the story. Recently Maria Schreiber was asked if she would return to the media. She replied no because the whole Paris Hilton mess has turned her stomach. The media is driven by greed so who the hell are they to judge a person. They are snakes who have sold their soul to the devil to do his work. So I don’t give a damn about their hypocritical view of anyone else. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
November 17, 2007 at 7:47 pm
JKG,
Also you may be sickened by the nooses being hung but where is the rest of your race? They are so pissed at OJ, Vick and Bonds. Why aren’t they all over the place blogging about the nooses. I’ll tell you why. They don’t care! These angry mobs remind me of the white men, women and children who gathered to scream at children just trying to go to school in the 50’s.
November 17, 2007 at 7:49 pm
I hear ya and think a lot of people agree with you.
November 17, 2007 at 8:20 pm
JKG,
I also want to add that I choose to educate myself on other races and what they have been through. Take England for instance. Who have they not stolen and robbed from. I bet most Irish people in this country don’t even know their own history of how the English raped, killed and stole from them. Was the IRA wrong for defending themselves? The English has viewed the Irish as second class citizens who are worthless dirty drunks. How many Irish Americans know this when they choose to be racist in America. It saddens me that even here in America the native Americans have been robbed of their land, culture and dignity. They are not celebrated but mocked everytime someone does the tomahawk chop at a Braves game. They are people like you and I who live here and deserve to be treated with respect. Proud chiefs were forced to accept treaties that only sealed the current fate of their people because they were tired of seeing their people being slaughtered. No one carees about them. I do. So when people come to this site and call people racist for being fed up and angry they need to look in the mirror. If they were true caring,decent human beings they would be just as outraged at the unfair treatment as we are.
November 17, 2007 at 8:29 pm
Funny you should mention nooses; I was just researching my next piece and I was looking up the number of incidents involving nooses AFTER Jena 6 and it’s been on the upswing. Recently in Philadelphia there was a noose found at the top of the new Comcast building which is the largest building in Philadelphia, there were also some found at some suburban schools. Maybe I need to resurrect some of those old Black Panther posters.
November 17, 2007 at 9:35 pm
On Thursday, a bad day got worse for indicted slugger Barry Bonds, who, according to eTrueSports.com, on top of being charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, was also hit with a parking ticket in Sausalito, CA. “An expired meter is an expired meter,” said the meter maid who issued the summons.
November 17, 2007 at 10:29 pm
Michelle I appreciate you trying to lecture bufoons like Wil, but I think we all just need to come to our own. Will and his buddies can be him and his buddies, we need to do for our own, and personally I’m tired of talking with those people. THEY either need to get with our program or get the hell out the way, that’s the way I see it!
I got mad love for you and all those folks at that protest taking it to the system. I couldn’t care less about the justice dept or Will and his buddies. GOOD RIDDANCE!!! It’s not even that I profess to have hate for them they are just an insignificant entity to me. Like a fly on the wall, but if that fly lands on me or my folks, I’m going for the kill.
pe@ce!
November 17, 2007 at 11:06 pm
Michelle wrote:
“Once again. Mark McGwire is not being crucified in the media. A lie is a lie don’t give me the grands jury crap.”
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This about sums up the viewpoint of black racists here like Michelle, regarding this Barry Bonds indictment in particular. They don’t care about truth, or whether any laws were broken. Their racism blinds them to the essential difference between why Bonds is being indicted and why Jason Giambi has not. The government feels they have enough evidence to prove that Bonds lied to a grand jury, which….surprise surprise…is actually ILLEGAL. Yes, it’s illegal. And given the high profile nature of Bonds, his steriods case, and steriods in baseball in general, the government is 100% justified in singling him out at the present time. Why would they go after the small guppies when they have a compelling case against the biggest cheat of them all, the brand new home run king?? And it does appear like the black racists have also conveniently forgotten that a soon-to-be-released Mitchell report will name many more of baseball’s steriod abusers, and more indictments could follow.