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Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:57:49 +0000

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By: mizzo

mizzo — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:25:13 +0000

Joe you have no idea what you speak of. Refer to the comment before yours.

Ridiculous.

By: Joe

Joe — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:03:12 +0000

Looks to me that the only reason that DavidMac is being so savagely attacked by the many black racists who post here is that he has dared to express a dissenting opinion, and because he had the audacity to do so articulately. If this blog is intended to be a cozy little social club for people of precisely the same opinion to stroke each other then the blog should be up front about it in the first place, because that’s precisely the environment here. It’s really fascinated to see how angry racists get when they’re confronted by eloquent debaters like DavidMac. You can practically see the smoke pouring out of their ears. He’s precisely right. People like you just love to blubber on and on and on about racism against blacks, and turn a blind eye to all instances of racism and hostile bigotry committed by black people.

By: michelle

michelle — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:43:40 +0000

And before people come on here calling us racist, we are not talking about all white people. We know there are white people who care about the struggle of minorities in this country and don’t close their eyes to it. So if the shoe doesn’t fit your foot don’t worry about it.

By: michelle

michelle — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:39:33 +0000

Miranda, I couldn’t have said it better.

By: Miranda

Miranda — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:50:10 +0000

Michelle,
I don’t make one apology for feeling that Mike deserves not ONE day of jail time and as a first time offender with the league no more than 2 games….please, I’m not buying these fake self-righteous people hollering about animal cruelty…why? Because Jonathan Babineaux has played in every single game for the Falcons this year and he was charged with killing his girlfriend’s puppy (out of spite) and according to the vets that examined the puppy, with a hammer to the head. Oh and what was the suspension of the guy in Tampa Bay that was charged with assault of his pregnant girlfriend? Not a day. No ma’am, this wasn’t about the wrongness of what Mike Vick did, this was about that black QB from the projects that personified white folks biggest fear. This was about a black QB that was loved by the team with the majority black season ticket holders and the only way to get him outta here was prison or death. This was no more about dogfighting than the Iraq War is about WMDs. So I’ll be rooting against the Falcons today, like a lot of people in Atlanta, and as the team falls back to its rightful place as cellar dwellers in the league, hope that Blank moves it completely out the city.

By: michelle

michelle — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:13:35 +0000

How can we leave the past in the past when sh.. hasn’t changed. It’s like a man who cheats on his wife says sorry continues to cheat and can’t understand why she is so angy at him and has an attitude all the time. In order to forgive the bs must stop. The mst wants to harp on a persons imperfections. Well lets start with Mr. George Washington. In 1776 my ancestors were in chains so why the hell am I at the parade on July 4th? Our children are being lied to every day in school with that cherry tree bs. If you think he did some good things for this country, he also did a lot of bad and celebrating his birthday is a slap in the face to black people. Come on yall THINK we are being bamboozled, run a muck led a stray. Open up your eyes. Yes some of us have good jobs ,nice cars and homes to live in but the least of us still have nothing but chains and bars. Look at the educational system in this country in poor neighborhoods. NUFF SAID!!

By: michelle

michelle — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:25:06 +0000

No problem Mizzo. Just keeping it real. I like the asterisk idea, since the holiday is already in place there should be some truth told. I too like the day off that some people get because slaves did work for free. But telling all children that this man should be celebrated is BS. Thats the problem with this country by honoring GW they are ignoring what slaves went through and that means we are being ignored. If they want an asterisk on Barry Bonds baseball but don’t want to put an asterisk on the entire error when people of color were not allowed to play baseball then thats bs. Some of the records would be different IF people of color were allowed to play. NO DOUBT. For those people who say leave the past in the past. Hell no you want to be out here judging people like your God. So lets tell it like it is many whites have gotten away with all kinds of shit. So don’t act like we are cruel violent people. Isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black. Please, you better look in the mirror. From now on I’m putting an asterisk on my calendar during presidents day and have my own protest.

By: mizzo

mizzo — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:56:20 +0000

Damn!!!!!

The sista is right! Thank you Michelle for hipping a brotha to something earlski this Sunday mornin….

I wanna sing a Negro spiritual! How Eddie kick it to Martin in Life? “The Upper Rooooom…”

How many of you out there actually put two and two together that we are celebrating Washington’s birthday during the only 28 days we have to mourn multi-millions of deaths. I appreciate the day off because our fathers and mothers worked their whole lives for free as slaves….so did their fathers and mothers…Yo, that’s some cruel shit if you ask me. Put an asterisk on that shit! Eff a Cherry tree, our asses was hanging from it! Washington didn’t chop that shit down, my Pop Pop did while my uncles weight snapped the trunk.

Yo, GWashington…GW Bush?!!? Shit is real in the field right now!

Any of you know the estimation of deaths from the slave trade?

Damn ain’t no way I’m going back to sleep now. Good goin Michelle

Let’s please discuss.

By: michelle

michelle — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:18:20 +0000

NOW NI…. STAY IN YOUR PLACE !!!!!

By: michelle

michelle — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:14:53 +0000

Miranda, I’m having a Jaws melt down. I can’t even type this without hitting the wrong buttons. So if I spell sh.. wrong, yall know what I’m trying to say. To all those white people that think thats funny let me school you on the history of the damn thing. This represents a wife losing her husband, a mother losing a son, a child losing their father and all because of hatred. A person who was only guilty of being born with black skin is sentenced to such a horrible death. Some clowns will come to the starting five and say I’m hostile well to quote PE “I GOT A RIGHT TO BE HOSTILE MY PEOPLE ARE BEING PERSECUTED!!!) Listen people who just don’t get it. You don’t get it because you don’t want to get it. As you can see if a person of you race is harmed just a little you go off so you just don’t care about peple of color. So stop with the bs. A lot of you just don’t care about us. JUST KEEP IT REAL. You are not fooling us. No one paid for slavery. There is no day of mourning for the worse crime ever committed on American soil. We are so disrespected the we celebrate slave masters birthdays during BLACK HISTORY MONTH. Now isn’t that a joke. If George Washington is my daddy, (THE FATHER OF OUR NATION). Then thats child abuse on a grand scale. To quote Brother Malcolm, “We didn’t land on Plymouth Rock, Plymouth Rock landed on us!” Would Jewish people not have a problem with Hitler’s birthday being celebrated in Germany after all he was one of their leaders. HELL YEAH THEY WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, IT WOULD BE BS. People act like they don’t know their own history. Irish folks should have a problem with ole George Washington to he’s English and they treated the Irish like sh.. Just ask anyone living in Ireland. Well the English once upon a time treated a lot of people like sh.. My point is no one was charged with a crime, no money was paid to anyone. We were just told to GET OVER IT AND STOP LIVING IN THE PAST, WELL THE PAST IS NOW AND MY BROTHERS ARE NOW BEING LYNCHED IN ANOTHER WAY. JUST PUT THEM ON DISPLAY IN THE MEDIA AND TAKE ALL THEIR SH.. IT’S A LYNCHING OF A DIFFERENT KIND BUT IN SOME WAYS THE EFFECT IS JUST AS PAINFUL.

By: michelle

michelle — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:38:32 +0000

Sorry everyone but I have just a little bit more to say on this subject. The haging of the noose joke. How the f…

By: michelle

michelle — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:26:02 +0000

I feel you Miranda. It’s all coming back to me now. I remember how Buddy Ryan would take Jaws out on 3rd down plays because Randall was more of a play maker. That spelled the beginning of the end for Jaws. The bench wasn’t far behind after that. He needs to stop tripping. That pre-season game was full of stupid commentary. Michelle T. offering Joey congratulations after the game like he just won the super bowl or something. I was like look at this crap here, are they all on drugs or is it just me? I don’t know why any of them thought Joey could fill Mike’s shoes anyway. Like I said earlier I just miss Mike. Like some people I was very upset with him in the beginning. As time has passed and I’ve had time to think about the situation I’ve realized just how much the whole thing has been blown up. People have killed humans and have served less time in jail then Mike will. It’s sad to say but at the end of the day his poor choices were in part due to him trying to be a loyal friend. Trying to help people. People who used him and then turned on him. Then the media makes a big deal about him testing positive for weed. Give me a f.. break. First of all the drug stays in your system for some time so he could have smoked it around the time he was indicted and failed the test later. The media often acts like they are perfect human beings (NOT!!!). The punishment must fit the crime. Is it unreasonable to think that a person losing everything he has worked for, best friends, lots of money, his job, freedom, and being humiliated in the news for weeks like a mini series might want smoke some weed to escape? I’m not saying it’s right but to quote Chris Rock ” I’M NOT SAYING HE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT BUT I UNDERSTAND” Also what is truly troubling to me is the response from some white folks. When the police were beating the crap out of Rodney King on tape and were acquitted they had little or no outrage. There seems to be a pattern here. Crucify the black athlete whenever he does anything wrong but overlook when a black person has been assaulted, killed by a white person and gets off or when a black person is railroaded by the justice system. Violence of any kind was not started in this country by people of color it was started by whites. Terrorizing and stealing from the Native Americans. Killing, raping and forcing blacks to work for nothing. Have they forgotten this? Some times I wonder. When I see the scene of those white people shouting at children just trying to go to school in the 1957, I think to myself and these are the same people who want Mike Vick under the jail. Please. Mike’s punishment should be 1 year suspension from the league a harsh fine of a million dollars donated to ending dog fighting or a rescue shelter and community service and a year on probation. And thats for the gambling part of this whole thing only. People in my area don’t do jail time for first or second offense dog fighting so how is it that Mike should lose everything? Trust I’m an animal lover and have several myself but the punishment must fit the crime. Another thing that bothers me is the sense of entitlement by some whites. Because they think harming dogs is worse then hunting with a bow and arrow, throw the book at Mike. Animal cruelty comes in many forms in this country but because the good ole boys think their cruelty is ok it’s legal. Yeah so was slavery once upon a time. I know I’ve gone off on this subject but every time I hear someone white go on and on about Mike it makes me feel that blacks are still seen as only part human in this country, even less important as a dog.

By: mizzo

mizzo — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:27:55 +0000

I love my sistas

By: Miranda

Miranda — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:44:53 +0000

Michelle,
That’s why he hates Mike Vick more than any other individual ,period, on this earth. I promise, I have seen him have what looked like seizures when he would start criticizing Mike……one time I specifically remember Chris Collinsworth looking almost afraid because Jaws just lost it completely. I realized it was something else and didn’t put it together until I found out Randall Cunningham effectively ended his career…and it was crystal clear. Jaws is not rational when it comes to #7 at all….his head starts getting bigger at just the mention of his name. Look at how he praised Joey in a pre-season game and said that ridiculous comment about “Atlanta fans need to forget about the excitement and get used to a championship-style QB”……..WTF!?!? Yeah, okay….1-5 later, that “championship style QB” is riding the pine for his 3rd team…and NOW they want to blame the O-line and receivers….LMAO!!! Now that is priceless.

By: michelle

michelle — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:30:29 +0000

Miranda , girl I am falling out my chair on that comment. That was an excellent point. I also forgot he was benched for Randall. He really needs to get over that because the bottom line is who’s getting the win. Mike Vick got more wins as the Falcons qb then Joey will ever hope to see.

By: Temple3

Temple3 — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:45:44 +0000

Great point Michelle. Great point Miranda. I forgot about that. Someone needs to ask him how he feels about the greatest regular season offense in the history of the league!!

I find it interesting that ESPN staffs that show with Sal Paloantonio. He’s a Philly beat writer and he loves Jaws. It’s almost like Affirmative Action. Jaws was at his worst when Suzy Kolber was the referee.

By: Miranda

Miranda — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:20:22 +0000

Jaws has serious meltdowns about pocket passers vs scrambling QBs because he has flashbacks of being benched for Randall Cunningham. The way he gets worked up may look like genuine passion…but if you watch how his face contorts, his eyes bug-out and he starts spitting to the point you can see it…that’s not passion, that’s intense anger….and he really needs to get with a therapist and work that ish out before he strokes out right on camera.

By: michelle

michelle — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:54:08 +0000

The thing with Jaws is , it’s not what he says, it’s how he says it . Thats why I think he has a problem with black qb’s. Micheal Vick never had receivers other that Crumpler. His receivers dropped passes all the time and his line sucked. So why was he making excuses for Joey when he’s not been good on any team. Bottom line is Mike won games on his own and I miss him on the field.

By: Temple3

Temple3 — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:12:08 +0000

“I don’t like Jaws one stitch, but it is conceivable that since he values pocket mobility above all other traits, there have not been very many Black QBs who’ve demonstrated that quality.”

I know you all probably think I’m crazy here – but in the context in which Jaws mentions this – mobility and passing without running – there are a few examples which have been discussed above. I hope this helps.

If you’re interested, I explored this topic in greater detail here:
http://temple3.wordpress.com/2007/09/29/scramblers-and-statues-the-quarterback-in-black-white-and-gray/

By: Temple3

Temple3 — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:09:13 +0000

TKG@115:

“As to Jaws on NFL matchup. I’m not sure if I’ve ever heard him praise a black quarterback. They rarely focus on quarterbacks. ”

That’s news to me. I don’t watch the show as much as I used to – but I have many clear recollections that the central point of the show is the running battle between Jaws and Hoge about the passing game vs. the running game. Jaws ALWAYS says, “Points come from the passing game.” Then he shows clips of quarterbacks buying time by remaining in the pocket under pressure or working through their progressions and hitting secondary or tertiary receivers. Then he laughs in Merrill’s face. And then he pulled out a copy of the Chiefs’ offensive playbook under Dick Vermeil.

That’s the show I remember. I guess things have changed considerably.

I don’t like Jaws one stitch, but it is conceivable that since he values pocket mobility above all other traits, there have not been very many Black QBs who’ve demonstrated that quality. McNabb certainly plays that way, but he is often injured and is notorious for not setting his feet on throws. Vick didn’t play way. McNair has been injured or subpar in recent years. Vince Yuong was praised in one show I saw when he made some spectacular reads against the Bills in preseason. And then there’s Daunte. He runs much less than in previous years (3 TD vs. Miami notwithstanding). He hasn’t been at the top of his game. Aaron Brooks is off the radar and did not perform particularly well in Oakland. Byron Leftwich is not an exemplar of pocket mobility.

So, there really isn’t a whole lot to choose from. I also believe that they were complimentary of Jason Campbell not too long ago AND critical of Brunell last year. I could be wrong, but I believe there may be more to this than meets the eye – for now. I still feel that Jaworski has a bias – but there is a bit of context which explain some of it. He is certainly entitled to affirm his view that mobility within the pocket and accuracy are the most important attributes of a QB – and I’m inclined to agree. Exhibits A – E: Joe Montana, John Elway, Tom Brady, Brett Favre and Warren Moon.

Four of these men won rings and the fifth (Moon) would have displaced Dan Marino from the record books long before Favre had a chance were he not banished to Canada.

TKG – anytime you wanna hate on Jaws, holla! I’ll bring the beer.

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By: DavidMac

DavidMac — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:05:16 +0000

@ BlueSteel

I’m not saying you have to go to a black only business. I am saying go to another business that appreciates you. Also even though blacks make up around 12% of the population, but spending power is huge, around $630 billion in 2003 and next year project to be $921 billion by next year, so the no power excuse doesn’t fly. (http://www.blackenterprise.com/cms/exclusivesopen.aspx?id=489&p=0) There is going to be some business that wants to take your money if another doesn’t, and that just goes to human greed.

@sankofa

The fact that your friend found recourse through the appointed system proves that times are better in this country and things are going down the right path. I would be worried if nothing happend, then you could say nothing has changed.

@TKG

You start off wrong in your Imus analogy, mainly because the language is of what he said was permissible by the FCC and what you posted is not. Try better next time.

As for the Duke lacrosse case, the comparison makes perfect sense, you just don’t want to see it because it would mean having to re-evaluate where you stand.

By: TKG

TKG — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:02:18 +0000

-As to Jaws on NFL matchup. I’m not sure if I’ve ever heard him praise a black quarterback. They rarely focus on quarterbacks. NFL Matchup is the nerdiest sports show on TV ( assuming you don’t get the NFL package as AFC and NFC Playbook are kind of up there) . It’s all about really close analysis of plays. So you’ll get five minutes of them discussing a tight end moving three steps to the right and what that opened up. I hate the kind of speculative psychoanalysis of players that makes up most of the discussion on sports shows. So the super nerdy approach is a nice alternative.

I’ve lived in DC for most of my life and do enjoy the over the top homer Redskins “analysis” shows too. Every sports team needs their own Al Jazeera. But that type of doesn’t pretend to be objective at all.

-If Imus had called the outside hitter on the UCLA volleyball team a blonde cocksuckingslut, it wouldn’t matter if it was an accurate description or not. He would be fired, not be able to get another mainstream media job and the same people who leapt to his defense would have instead condemned him.

- As to the Duke lacrosse case vis a vis the Jena 6. That comparison majes no sense. their is no white equivalent to what happened in Jena.

I think if you want to compare the Duke case to anything there is always this:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/02/national/main523996.shtml

By: Temple3

Temple3 — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:00:43 +0000

that’s a joke.

By: Temple3

Temple3 — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:54:35 +0000

I’ve never liked the word “onus” because, well, sound it out.

By: mizzo

mizzo — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:37:00 +0000

Yeah brotha do that. I learn from you.

By: sankofa

sankofa — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:20:49 +0000

Thanks man..Haven’t been able to much in the past few days. I attempt to fix that!

By: mizzo

mizzo — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:05:59 +0000

Sankofa..sup with the link to your site?

By: sankofa

sankofa — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:01:55 +0000

BlueSteel Says:

@106

(1) Marcus Garvey tried that, and was persecuted and prosecuted; the greatest ‘pull your black self up by the boot strap’ movement was destroyed from the inside by previous DavidMacs and from the outside by the feds.

(2) Elijah Muhammad tried that, and was and is still treated as a racist and demagogue.

(3)The good citizen of Tulsa Oklahoma in 1921 tried that and was bombed and burned out of existence.