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		<title>By: Ap</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/heckuva-job-goodie/#comment-14085</link>
		<dc:creator>Ap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly what I love about this site.  Great job.</description>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/heckuva-job-goodie/#comment-13966</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to digress too much, but the most striking thing about the Bonds article is that I am unable to recall a &quot;white&quot; polarizing figure in American sports over the past century.  Perhaps Pete Rose comes closest.  Of course, the difference between Rose and these four is that he violated a RULE in seeking personal gain.

BTW, it&#039;s Justin Strzelczyk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Strzelczyk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to digress too much, but the most striking thing about the Bonds article is that I am unable to recall a &#8220;white&#8221; polarizing figure in American sports over the past century.  Perhaps Pete Rose comes closest.  Of course, the difference between Rose and these four is that he violated a RULE in seeking personal gain.</p>
<p>BTW, it&#8217;s Justin Strzelczyk.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Strzelczyk" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Strzelczyk</a></p>
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		<title>By: hal</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/heckuva-job-goodie/#comment-13845</link>
		<dc:creator>hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I interrupt for a moment to point you to a pretty good piece on Bonds, Ali, Jackie R. and Jack Johnson by Monte Poole in the Oakland Tribune:

http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_6647417</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I interrupt for a moment to point you to a pretty good piece on Bonds, Ali, Jackie R. and Jack Johnson by Monte Poole in the Oakland Tribune:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_6647417" rel="nofollow">http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_6647417</a></p>
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		<title>By: KevDog</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/heckuva-job-goodie/#comment-13811</link>
		<dc:creator>KevDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And just an aside, I have also changed my mind about PED’s especially in regards to football. If anyone needs a substance that will encourage quicker recuperation from the obscene punishment of the NFL its those guys.&quot;


To be honest, I&#039;ve been very much in favor of allowing any and all PED&#039;s. But in the case of football, I&#039;d be in favor of banishing steroids. It is the combination of the size and speed and contact that leads to the acute and chronic injuries that shorten lives and careers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And just an aside, I have also changed my mind about PED’s especially in regards to football. If anyone needs a substance that will encourage quicker recuperation from the obscene punishment of the NFL its those guys.&#8221;</p>
<p>To be honest, I&#8217;ve been very much in favor of allowing any and all PED&#8217;s. But in the case of football, I&#8217;d be in favor of banishing steroids. It is the combination of the size and speed and contact that leads to the acute and chronic injuries that shorten lives and careers.</p>
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		<title>By: KevDog</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/heckuva-job-goodie/#comment-13810</link>
		<dc:creator>KevDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am no fan of people driving while intoxicated, or of dog-fighting, but if you step back from it for a minute - isn’t it striking that every scrape with the law, no matter how trivial (and the most recent Tank Johnson incident, the one that got him cut from the Bears, was as trivial as it gets), involving an athlete is a news story, and another chance for moral pontificating? And, meanwhile, the fact that playing the game without full and proper information about the potential effects of doing so - with consequences that are, in some cases, literally life and death - is nary a blip on the radar screen.&quot;


Pretty much sums up everything this site is about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am no fan of people driving while intoxicated, or of dog-fighting, but if you step back from it for a minute &#8211; isn’t it striking that every scrape with the law, no matter how trivial (and the most recent Tank Johnson incident, the one that got him cut from the Bears, was as trivial as it gets), involving an athlete is a news story, and another chance for moral pontificating? And, meanwhile, the fact that playing the game without full and proper information about the potential effects of doing so &#8211; with consequences that are, in some cases, literally life and death &#8211; is nary a blip on the radar screen.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pretty much sums up everything this site is about.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/heckuva-job-goodie/#comment-13795</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, this was on point. I was just making this point about selective accountability the other day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, this was on point. I was just making this point about selective accountability the other day.</p>
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		<title>By: awb</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/heckuva-job-goodie/#comment-13788</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a boxing fan who has heard the slings and arrows of the media about the dangers of my favorite sport, the fact that football, my second favorite, skated by all this time without much criticism always seemed hypocritical to me.

The fact is, if a boxer gets knocked out he can&#039;t even fight again for 90 DAYS.  Sure, there are those fighters and promoters who try to get around that, but there is a rule that addresses the issue.  Meanwhile, in football, players are pressured if not outright encouraged to get back on the field as soon as possible.  This is presented as some sort of tough guy ethic but to me it is clearly a corporation trying to get as much out of an non durable good as possible.  As a matter of fact, when a player chooses to not subject themselves to the punishment at an age deemed to early, they are looked upon with derision not only by the media but other players themselves who have somehow not realized that the NFL is a business, first and foremost.  These players are said to be quitting on their teams and letting their teammates and fans down.

Now boxing certainly has real dangers(although I think a lot of bad publicity has come from fighters that Emmanuel Stewart trains.  He is know for vicious gym wars where he subjects his prize fighter to rounds with hungry up and comers in 90 degree heat.  Think Terry Norris, Holyfield, Tommy Hearns), but I am starting to think that healthwise if not money wise fighters might actually be better off than football players.

And just an aside, I have also changed my mind about PED&#039;s especially in regards to football.  If anyone needs a substance that will encourage quicker recuperation from the obscene punishment of the NFL its those guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a boxing fan who has heard the slings and arrows of the media about the dangers of my favorite sport, the fact that football, my second favorite, skated by all this time without much criticism always seemed hypocritical to me.</p>
<p>The fact is, if a boxer gets knocked out he can&#8217;t even fight again for 90 DAYS.  Sure, there are those fighters and promoters who try to get around that, but there is a rule that addresses the issue.  Meanwhile, in football, players are pressured if not outright encouraged to get back on the field as soon as possible.  This is presented as some sort of tough guy ethic but to me it is clearly a corporation trying to get as much out of an non durable good as possible.  As a matter of fact, when a player chooses to not subject themselves to the punishment at an age deemed to early, they are looked upon with derision not only by the media but other players themselves who have somehow not realized that the NFL is a business, first and foremost.  These players are said to be quitting on their teams and letting their teammates and fans down.</p>
<p>Now boxing certainly has real dangers(although I think a lot of bad publicity has come from fighters that Emmanuel Stewart trains.  He is know for vicious gym wars where he subjects his prize fighter to rounds with hungry up and comers in 90 degree heat.  Think Terry Norris, Holyfield, Tommy Hearns), but I am starting to think that healthwise if not money wise fighters might actually be better off than football players.</p>
<p>And just an aside, I have also changed my mind about PED&#8217;s especially in regards to football.  If anyone needs a substance that will encourage quicker recuperation from the obscene punishment of the NFL its those guys.</p>
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		<title>By: bcw</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Signal to Noise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Signal to Noise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D-Wil - it probably won&#039;t even begin to be addressed until the players are horrified enough to throw out their union leadership and start over. Eventually, the pension issue for the old-school players, the concussion stuff, all this has to come to a build within the current group of players as they worry about whether they will be able to survive, never mind walk upright -- and why Upshaw and the union haven&#039;t represented them well on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D-Wil &#8211; it probably won&#8217;t even begin to be addressed until the players are horrified enough to throw out their union leadership and start over. Eventually, the pension issue for the old-school players, the concussion stuff, all this has to come to a build within the current group of players as they worry about whether they will be able to survive, never mind walk upright &#8212; and why Upshaw and the union haven&#8217;t represented them well on this.</p>
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		<title>By: illaim</title>
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		<dc:creator>illaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies and Respect given to Jweiler….

I had a “Sports on My Mind”  mental block….lol

Every thing from the previous comment stands…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies and Respect given to Jweiler….</p>
<p>I had a “Sports on My Mind”  mental block….lol</p>
<p>Every thing from the previous comment stands…</p>
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		<title>By: dwil</title>
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		<dc:creator>dwil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ill-
I know I&#039;ve been writing a lot, but JWeiler write this one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ill-<br />
I know I&#8217;ve been writing a lot, but JWeiler write this one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: illaim</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/heckuva-job-goodie/#comment-13770</link>
		<dc:creator>illaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D-Wil

“if you step back from it for a minute - isn’t it striking that every scrape with the law, no matter how trivial (and the most recent Tank Johnson incident, the one that got him cut from the Bears, was as trivial as it gets), involving an athlete is a news story, and another chance for moral pontificating? And, meanwhile, the fact that playing the game without full and proper information about the potential effects of doing so - with consequences that are, in some cases, literally life and death - is nary a blip on the radar screen.”

Projection of negative traits one might hold themselves, upon another is oft practiced art in which athletes seem to be the ultimate canvas 
I’ll admit as  a fan the soon to be accepted facts about the true nature of footballs destruction of ones body and mind,  are extremely disturbing, some where it makes me feel guilty for enjoying what could lead to another persons extreme suffering

“Sports media, stewing in conflicted resentment about professional athletes and their incredible wealth, fame and (shocking!) sometime self-absorption and irresponsibility, find easy targets for those resentments in the form of misbehaving players, easier targets than the owners and leagues that rip-off municipalities, because exposing transgressions that take place at the institutional level, on behalf of wealthy, powerful and well-connected men requires reporting and hard work. To criticize a reckless 25-year old for drinking and driving - that’s easy pickings.”

True,  You mentioned it succinctly, labor will always be the fall guy, whether physically or otherwise</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D-Wil</p>
<p>“if you step back from it for a minute &#8211; isn’t it striking that every scrape with the law, no matter how trivial (and the most recent Tank Johnson incident, the one that got him cut from the Bears, was as trivial as it gets), involving an athlete is a news story, and another chance for moral pontificating? And, meanwhile, the fact that playing the game without full and proper information about the potential effects of doing so &#8211; with consequences that are, in some cases, literally life and death &#8211; is nary a blip on the radar screen.”</p>
<p>Projection of negative traits one might hold themselves, upon another is oft practiced art in which athletes seem to be the ultimate canvas<br />
I’ll admit as  a fan the soon to be accepted facts about the true nature of footballs destruction of ones body and mind,  are extremely disturbing, some where it makes me feel guilty for enjoying what could lead to another persons extreme suffering</p>
<p>“Sports media, stewing in conflicted resentment about professional athletes and their incredible wealth, fame and (shocking!) sometime self-absorption and irresponsibility, find easy targets for those resentments in the form of misbehaving players, easier targets than the owners and leagues that rip-off municipalities, because exposing transgressions that take place at the institutional level, on behalf of wealthy, powerful and well-connected men requires reporting and hard work. To criticize a reckless 25-year old for drinking and driving &#8211; that’s easy pickings.”</p>
<p>True,  You mentioned it succinctly, labor will always be the fall guy, whether physically or otherwise</p>
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		<title>By: dwil</title>
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		<dc:creator>dwil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S2N, J-
The NFL fears addressing concussions because it is the point issue for so much more. We&#039;re dealing with back compensation to vets (insurance), seriously exploring a shortened exhibition season, additional roster spots, cumulative injury studies (for instance, what part, if any, does general and constant fatigue play in getting concussions?), perhaps a change to a structure much closer to guaranteed salaries because due to the knowledge that every player will suffer an injury that never fully heals, and I&#039;m sure much more.

Just those things add up to big $$$$$ out of pockets that want to keep those $$$$ for themselves - and we&#039;re talking about the NFL &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; the NFLPA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S2N, J-<br />
The NFL fears addressing concussions because it is the point issue for so much more. We&#8217;re dealing with back compensation to vets (insurance), seriously exploring a shortened exhibition season, additional roster spots, cumulative injury studies (for instance, what part, if any, does general and constant fatigue play in getting concussions?), perhaps a change to a structure much closer to guaranteed salaries because due to the knowledge that every player will suffer an injury that never fully heals, and I&#8217;m sure much more.</p>
<p>Just those things add up to big $$$$$ out of pockets that want to keep those $$$$ for themselves &#8211; and we&#8217;re talking about the NFL <em>and</em> the NFLPA.</p>
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		<title>By: jweiler</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S2N

I agree with you about ESPN. If you look at how the NFL reacted to Playmakers you can see their sensitivity. And, this is clearly a more explosive set of issues.</description>
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<p>I agree with you about ESPN. If you look at how the NFL reacted to Playmakers you can see their sensitivity. And, this is clearly a more explosive set of issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Signal to Noise</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J - I firmly believe what you&#039;ve described here also exists because networks like ESPN are much, much too tied in to the NFL to regularly criticize it on an issue such as this, and it gets pushed aside to Outside the Lines on Sunday morning rather than given a prominent place on, say, SportsCenter.

Pro athletes risking life and personal health are simply the new gladiators in our version of Rome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J &#8211; I firmly believe what you&#8217;ve described here also exists because networks like ESPN are much, much too tied in to the NFL to regularly criticize it on an issue such as this, and it gets pushed aside to Outside the Lines on Sunday morning rather than given a prominent place on, say, SportsCenter.</p>
<p>Pro athletes risking life and personal health are simply the new gladiators in our version of Rome.</p>
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