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		<title>By: Heckuva Job, Goodie &#171; The Starting Five</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/umm-arent-you-forgetting-something/#comment-13751</link>
		<dc:creator>Heckuva Job, Goodie &#171; The Starting Five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] specifically focusing on the NFL. This is not the first time OTL has reported on this story and, as I mentioned in criticizing a recent Michael Farber piece in SI, the issue has received more and more attention in the past [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] specifically focusing on the NFL. This is not the first time OTL has reported on this story and, as I mentioned in criticizing a recent Michael Farber piece in SI, the issue has received more and more attention in the past [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cornelius</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/umm-arent-you-forgetting-something/#comment-11569</link>
		<dc:creator>Cornelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem I see, is that the Union only cares about money. As far as I know they only harped on one thing in the last negotiation (60%). And since the union represents the players, I have to believe now, that money is all they care about. 

I don&#039;t recall any backlash in the last negotiations when Upshaw kept still until 58% and the possibility of an uncapped year was on the table. The backlash was that he was being moronic and didn&#039;t realize that the uncapped year was not good for the players in the overall longterm. 

I think a lot of fans want to see more benefits for retired players. I also think they would like to see more protection for vets. That guys like Bruce Smith, etc. have to finish their careers in other uniforms needs to be addressed. (I use Smith as an example because he had more in the tank than others when he moved from Buffalo.) 

I don&#039;t think guaranteed contracts are the answer. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s right, just because 3/4 of the major sports have them. Where else in reality do they exist? CEO&#039;s don&#039;t always get them. There are ways of making the systems work without it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I see, is that the Union only cares about money. As far as I know they only harped on one thing in the last negotiation (60%). And since the union represents the players, I have to believe now, that money is all they care about. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall any backlash in the last negotiations when Upshaw kept still until 58% and the possibility of an uncapped year was on the table. The backlash was that he was being moronic and didn&#8217;t realize that the uncapped year was not good for the players in the overall longterm. </p>
<p>I think a lot of fans want to see more benefits for retired players. I also think they would like to see more protection for vets. That guys like Bruce Smith, etc. have to finish their careers in other uniforms needs to be addressed. (I use Smith as an example because he had more in the tank than others when he moved from Buffalo.) </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think guaranteed contracts are the answer. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s right, just because 3/4 of the major sports have them. Where else in reality do they exist? CEO&#8217;s don&#8217;t always get them. There are ways of making the systems work without it.</p>
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		<title>By: jweiler</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/umm-arent-you-forgetting-something/#comment-11532</link>
		<dc:creator>jweiler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ap

Your point is dead on. And, of course, the fact that the owners are vastly wealthier than the players never seems to stop them from complaining about players&#039; salaries, and &quot;cost certainty&quot; and all the other garbage they come up with to justify why they really do have legitimate gripes about money. In this, the sports media gives owners an entirely free pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ap</p>
<p>Your point is dead on. And, of course, the fact that the owners are vastly wealthier than the players never seems to stop them from complaining about players&#8217; salaries, and &#8220;cost certainty&#8221; and all the other garbage they come up with to justify why they really do have legitimate gripes about money. In this, the sports media gives owners an entirely free pass.</p>
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		<title>By: Ap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But if the players were to come out and &quot;complain&quot; most fans and the media would point to the money they make as justification for them being treated like dirt.  Just because you have some money, you forfeit your rights according to many.  I wish those Americans making 40K would realize just how much money, relatively, they&#039;re making than the rest of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if the players were to come out and &#8220;complain&#8221; most fans and the media would point to the money they make as justification for them being treated like dirt.  Just because you have some money, you forfeit your rights according to many.  I wish those Americans making 40K would realize just how much money, relatively, they&#8217;re making than the rest of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: HarveyDent</title>
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		<dc:creator>HarveyDent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Telling comment, Cornelius, because to paraphrase, &#039;Every season, the NFL eats its young&#039; and the NFLPA is the primary culprit.  Bryant Gumbel didn&#039;t lie last year when he advised Goodell to make sure he had Tagliabue&#039;s leash to keep Upshaw in line.  The fact that retired, permanently injured players had to go to the Congress just to get the Union to give them a few more dollars is deplorable.  I won&#039;t even get started on the lack of guaranteed contracts but in a column I wrote last year for another website, the NFLPA has forgotten it&#039;s supposed to have more of an adversarial relationship with management and ownership and because of that the players, current and former, are the ones who will suffer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telling comment, Cornelius, because to paraphrase, &#8216;Every season, the NFL eats its young&#8217; and the NFLPA is the primary culprit.  Bryant Gumbel didn&#8217;t lie last year when he advised Goodell to make sure he had Tagliabue&#8217;s leash to keep Upshaw in line.  The fact that retired, permanently injured players had to go to the Congress just to get the Union to give them a few more dollars is deplorable.  I won&#8217;t even get started on the lack of guaranteed contracts but in a column I wrote last year for another website, the NFLPA has forgotten it&#8217;s supposed to have more of an adversarial relationship with management and ownership and because of that the players, current and former, are the ones who will suffer.</p>
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		<title>By: Cornelius</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/umm-arent-you-forgetting-something/#comment-11462</link>
		<dc:creator>Cornelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The saddest realization from this piece, is that all of corporate america is no different. Who&#039;s protecting the working class that can only get jobs from fortune 500 companies that have no regard for them?

And then, you realize how sad the situation described above is, since they actually have a union that is supposed to be supporting them. 

I can only believe that the signing bonus&#039; are blinding them from reforming their own union. Because it IS their union.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The saddest realization from this piece, is that all of corporate america is no different. Who&#8217;s protecting the working class that can only get jobs from fortune 500 companies that have no regard for them?</p>
<p>And then, you realize how sad the situation described above is, since they actually have a union that is supposed to be supporting them. </p>
<p>I can only believe that the signing bonus&#8217; are blinding them from reforming their own union. Because it IS their union.</p>
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		<title>By: KevDog</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/umm-arent-you-forgetting-something/#comment-11457</link>
		<dc:creator>KevDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T3

Damn, should have known you&#039;d be on the cutting edge.</description>
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<p>Damn, should have known you&#8217;d be on the cutting edge.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/umm-arent-you-forgetting-something/#comment-11445</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cancelled my SI subscription about 2 decades ago when Rick Telander decided that Barry Switzer&#039;s primary appeal to Black youth had something to do with being outside the law.  I have no tast for that sort of whoremongering, er, reporting.  SI has sucked since...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cancelled my SI subscription about 2 decades ago when Rick Telander decided that Barry Switzer&#8217;s primary appeal to Black youth had something to do with being outside the law.  I have no tast for that sort of whoremongering, er, reporting.  SI has sucked since&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It only belies the fact that its an embarrassment that the NFLPA is the weakest players association of all the major sports.  The players are treated like trash in every arena because everytime the PA has gone to the table it has just signed off and been the NFL&#039;s little lapdog.  Thus, the &quot;shield&quot; always gets protected and the peions at the bottom get crushed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It only belies the fact that its an embarrassment that the NFLPA is the weakest players association of all the major sports.  The players are treated like trash in every arena because everytime the PA has gone to the table it has just signed off and been the NFL&#8217;s little lapdog.  Thus, the &#8220;shield&#8221; always gets protected and the peions at the bottom get crushed.</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/umm-arent-you-forgetting-something/#comment-11439</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great column jweil.  Yeah, it&#039;s true, the larger organizations are never held accountable for the damage done in the interests of the league itself.  And as you said, given what&#039;s come out about Andre Waters, Ted Johnson, and others recently, that piece in such a prominent venue as SI is even more irresponsible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great column jweil.  Yeah, it&#8217;s true, the larger organizations are never held accountable for the damage done in the interests of the league itself.  And as you said, given what&#8217;s come out about Andre Waters, Ted Johnson, and others recently, that piece in such a prominent venue as SI is even more irresponsible.</p>
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		<title>By: Signal to Noise</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/umm-arent-you-forgetting-something/#comment-11423</link>
		<dc:creator>Signal to Noise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J, yeah, there&#039;s no way it&#039;s possible. Layden either didn&#039;t do or wasn&#039;t interested in the outside leg work, or even worse, didn&#039;t want to take on the established NFL narrative regarding the effects of hits like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J, yeah, there&#8217;s no way it&#8217;s possible. Layden either didn&#8217;t do or wasn&#8217;t interested in the outside leg work, or even worse, didn&#8217;t want to take on the established NFL narrative regarding the effects of hits like that.</p>
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		<title>By: des</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/umm-arent-you-forgetting-something/#comment-11410</link>
		<dc:creator>des</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J,

I think about Al Toon, who can&#039;t look at an operating ceiling
fan because of too many concussions. Earl Campbell has dropfoot,
It took Johnnie Cooks FIVE minutes to get up from a chair on
Real Sports. Football may not be war, but are those not war
wounds? Tim Layden wasn&#039;t trying to be informative, he was
pimping the NFL. The players are disposable, the game. as always,
goes on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J,</p>
<p>I think about Al Toon, who can&#8217;t look at an operating ceiling<br />
fan because of too many concussions. Earl Campbell has dropfoot,<br />
It took Johnnie Cooks FIVE minutes to get up from a chair on<br />
Real Sports. Football may not be war, but are those not war<br />
wounds? Tim Layden wasn&#8217;t trying to be informative, he was<br />
pimping the NFL. The players are disposable, the game. as always,<br />
goes on.</p>
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		<title>By: KevDog</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/umm-arent-you-forgetting-something/#comment-11407</link>
		<dc:creator>KevDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pats

Wish I could help out. I&#039;ve become so disgusted with MSM that I&#039;m not the one to ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pats</p>
<p>Wish I could help out. I&#8217;ve become so disgusted with MSM that I&#8217;m not the one to ask.</p>
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		<title>By: jweiler</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/umm-arent-you-forgetting-something/#comment-11405</link>
		<dc:creator>jweiler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S2N

Alan Schwarz&#039; first piece on Andre Waters came out in January, and the ESPN piece I linked to is from 2006. There&#039;s just no excuse (I know you&#039;re not trying to make one for him) for Layden having characterized the NFL committee the way he did - he has to have had all the pertinent information available to him before he wrote this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S2N</p>
<p>Alan Schwarz&#8217; first piece on Andre Waters came out in January, and the ESPN piece I linked to is from 2006. There&#8217;s just no excuse (I know you&#8217;re not trying to make one for him) for Layden having characterized the NFL committee the way he did &#8211; he has to have had all the pertinent information available to him before he wrote this article.</p>
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		<title>By: Pats4X</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/umm-arent-you-forgetting-something/#comment-11399</link>
		<dc:creator>Pats4X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Kev,

Maybe I&#039;ll have to stop being a creature of habit and kick my years-old SI addiction.  My lady will certainly be happy.  

Any good mag recommendations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Kev,</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll have to stop being a creature of habit and kick my years-old SI addiction.  My lady will certainly be happy.  </p>
<p>Any good mag recommendations?</p>
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		<title>By: KevDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cancelled my SI subscription moments after they sent me the one with the Kobe&#039;s mug shot on the cover. Haven&#039;t even thumbed through an article since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cancelled my SI subscription moments after they sent me the one with the Kobe&#8217;s mug shot on the cover. Haven&#8217;t even thumbed through an article since.</p>
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		<title>By: Signal to Noise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Signal to Noise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice job, J. I sensed something was missing from that article when I read it, but couldn&#039;t put my finger on it. I suspect Layden wrote this piece well before that stuff came out and they just held it until training camp rolled around -- regardless, it&#039;s awful form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice job, J. I sensed something was missing from that article when I read it, but couldn&#8217;t put my finger on it. I suspect Layden wrote this piece well before that stuff came out and they just held it until training camp rolled around &#8212; regardless, it&#8217;s awful form.</p>
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		<title>By: Extra P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Extra P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done.  The league needs to take care of these guys.  We all know the hitting won&#039;t go away, so if someone&#039;s willing to take that risk, the league should be prepared for the consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done.  The league needs to take care of these guys.  We all know the hitting won&#8217;t go away, so if someone&#8217;s willing to take that risk, the league should be prepared for the consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Pats4X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pats4X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice take Jwei...

As a life-long SI suscriber, I, along with many others, have questioned the magazine&#039;s relevancy over the past few years.  I read the article a few days ago and wondered what the point of the article even was?  My feeling was that it was just a puff piece to get NFL fans ready for the upcoming season again.  Not a lot of journalisic fresh information, or any hook to make me think after putting the mag down.  

Cases like Ted Johnson and Andre Waters are sad.  As a Boston resident, I&#039;ve seen Ted Johnson go from quite an upstanding guy to someone who has made some bizarre public appearances and behaved very erratically.  The radio stations and Boston MSM don&#039;t even welcome him to their programs much anymore, and he used to be a regular.  

Investigations into his head injury, and others, and how the NFL has really turned a blind eye, need to be documented and hashed out.  This puff-SI piece did nothing to adavnce the discussion, or turn up the heat on the NFL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice take Jwei&#8230;</p>
<p>As a life-long SI suscriber, I, along with many others, have questioned the magazine&#8217;s relevancy over the past few years.  I read the article a few days ago and wondered what the point of the article even was?  My feeling was that it was just a puff piece to get NFL fans ready for the upcoming season again.  Not a lot of journalisic fresh information, or any hook to make me think after putting the mag down.  </p>
<p>Cases like Ted Johnson and Andre Waters are sad.  As a Boston resident, I&#8217;ve seen Ted Johnson go from quite an upstanding guy to someone who has made some bizarre public appearances and behaved very erratically.  The radio stations and Boston MSM don&#8217;t even welcome him to their programs much anymore, and he used to be a regular.  </p>
<p>Investigations into his head injury, and others, and how the NFL has really turned a blind eye, need to be documented and hashed out.  This puff-SI piece did nothing to adavnce the discussion, or turn up the heat on the NFL.</p>
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		<title>By: KevDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They fit a larger pattern, too: an on-going insistence on holding players responsible for their personal decisions and conduct without any concomitant acknowledgment of the institutional factors that drive the sports news cycle. So, players are villains (at least some are), for taking steroids, but leagues and commissioners get a virtual free pass (which is one reason why Gary Sheffield calling Commissioner Selig a “liar” earned him a nomination for a “just shut up award).” So, though violence is the acknowledged lifeblood of the NFL (well, leaving aside gambling), that’s the fault of fans and players.

The NFL: they’re just “concerned.”

Outstanding analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They fit a larger pattern, too: an on-going insistence on holding players responsible for their personal decisions and conduct without any concomitant acknowledgment of the institutional factors that drive the sports news cycle. So, players are villains (at least some are), for taking steroids, but leagues and commissioners get a virtual free pass (which is one reason why Gary Sheffield calling Commissioner Selig a “liar” earned him a nomination for a “just shut up award).” So, though violence is the acknowledged lifeblood of the NFL (well, leaving aside gambling), that’s the fault of fans and players.</p>
<p>The NFL: they’re just “concerned.”</p>
<p>Outstanding analysis.</p>
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